Season 2: NFTW (which one are you?) [11.11.23]

Because certain spiritual groups use “science” as a buzzword for selfish reasons. New Age groups, for example, have this tendency to take things out of their context and explain them through terms that came from another sphere of thought, like using “energy vortex” or “dimensional doors” to describe some phenomena in some tradition that focuses on self-cultivation. But of course, they take terms from Modern Physics and apply it willy-nilly to anything that strikes their fancy, without even studying either physics or the tradition they’re incorporating into the package they’re selling. So you can see why both scientists as well as traditional lineage-holders might raise their eyebrow when they hear of these things.

And unfortunately, there is hardly such a thing as objective science operating in some vacuum, with the sole mission to find Truth. As my professor in Anthropology said plainly, there are taboo topics which will cut your career short if you become associated with them. There are many good men and women at university, but just making one open-minded statement about a taboo topic can get them labelled as a pseudo-scientist on Wikipedia and elsewhere and that is just career suicide.

But how do you derive valid conclusions using a method built on premises that are contrary to the ones used in the tradition you are investigating? Basic problem in anthropology.
Michel Foucault’s concept of the épistémè already makes it clear that there are always a priori assumptions that drive each paradigm/age, which determine what is seen as possible and also what is acceptable in terms of proof. Thomas S. Kuhn’s The Structure of Scientific Revolutions is also good for putting things in perspective. Science is its own cultural product and consitutes a paradigm, whereas most of the older traditions that discuss things such as subtle energies or auras came from a different paradigm, which are naturally not compatible. The mistake most people make is that it does not mean that one paradigm supersedes the others, but unfortunately, there is often the implicit assumption that science has superseded all previous paradigms, which would mean that they all would have to justify their existence through scientific validation. And that is what you see happening around the world. For example, I did my work on Siddha Medicine and how it is currently practiced in Southern India, and they have unfortunately long ceased to continue on their original trajectory of research and experimentation, because the British outright banned it for the majority of their occupation there. Now they have been reduced to a state where they’re mostly busy doing empirical studies on what parts of their tradition can be scientifically proven. Ironically, their efficiency at healing people used to be better before this modern process was initiated because they did not have to deal with patients that were born locally, but have grown up with a Western materialist mindset because of globalization. Needless to say, the Indian government, just like the Chinese one, operate within the modern scientific paradigm and are practically hostile towards their own cultural traditions, which only get attention in so far as they can be turned into a part of the tourist industry. But I digress.

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You are doing great work here! I only mentioned this point about appearing scientific because people are so quick to label people so that they can easily dismiss them without proper investigation. And deconstructing patterns to derive a working principle is well…what most people would associate with Science hehe.

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Yes, I understand. We were essentially saying the same thing, I’m just beholden to talking a neutral position due to the fact that we serve a global audience.

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Yet due to internal limitations, old traumas, a “faulty” belief system, self-doubt, lack of focus I dare say that it wasn’t really likely to ever “happen” if not for the immensely powerful tools that we got at our disposal. Therefore, I’ve assumed only one directive, which is also a prerogative:

You will do what you must, become what you must, or you will pay for your cowardice with mediocrity. Never Fear The Weakness in yourself, conquer it with boldness.

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I would disagree a bit. I would say the problem is people’s inability to face their own shadow to even recognize that there’s even a limitation. But the outcome is the same as your second quote – facing life with bravery, facing your own darkness and refusing to project that outward on others.

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I concur. It’s why I get annoyed when people are claiming that recon is the “soul responding negatively” to something. I would argue that if these concepts are even accurate, it is also possible that the “soul” is doing exactly what it needs right now to proceed. Individuals consciously exploring what’s possible now to better integrate themselves wholly.

It’s one of the reasons I am attempting to consciously embrace a path of non-acknowledgment. We are slowly, but surely transforming all motives for the various businesses we run away from material gain (unfortunately, we are still operating within a pure capitalistic system and thus, we need money) and more toward service.

And because of this, I will always champion the idea that subliminals can serve as the carpenter’s tools, but you are the carpenter, consciously reshaping your personal realities. It’s why all of our scripting is positive, where “dominance” is being defined as an inner strength that radiates outward and people WANT to follow you because you are representing something that they want to incorporate into the self.

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So someone to stay away from?

What’s the difference between limitations and self sabotage? Is it the same thing? How much of a person’s shadow is made up of this? Isn’t trauma just environmentally imposed limitations? I’m not playing down how serious trauma is. I am working through my own. I’m just curious

I see self-sabotage as the outcome of an internal limitation.

Simple example: people who want to be entrepreneurs, but “hates marketing.” In today’s age, it is almost impossible not to employ some form of marketing to survive, but you can base your marketing strategy on ethical principles. But, due to some internal belief linked to money (because that’s one of the deep subconscious fears – “marketers” are trying to steal crystallized vital energy from you, in the form of money), they block themselves from even studying a very necessary process and as a result, have self-sabotaged their entrepreneurial aspirations.

Of course, this is not 100% in everyone, just an example to illustrate.

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So true! Unproductive thought patterns and limiting beliefs, regardless of their original intention and regardless of how we inherited them, will stop our “good” from running over into our lives, until we notice them and uproot them.

Or they call it manipulation…

My frame: everything is manipulation. When you go to a cafe and order one, you “manipulated” the barista.

It sounds bad, but everything depends on what you use it for.

And no, I do not mean that end justifies the means.

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I totally agree. I was on a long way of personality development when I was lead to SC.
I absolutely believe that I would have gotten the same results without any subs.
But subs are a different tool than those that I already use. They work on a subconscious level and produce results I would have needed another outside source to reach them.
Nowadays I tend to use subs to change subconsciously and the rest of the tools to work on the topics I’ve found thanks to subs.

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It’s probably obvious but by that logic anything anyone wants to learn or become is just a matter of having the patience and drive to overcome whatever internal limitations a person has

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Hey any idea if Dragon Reborn multistage, once upgraded, would warrant people who finished it to run it again, due to the upgrades?

I’m at stage three and it’s working extremely well, but is it something that should be revisited once the upgrade is complete due to the new tech, new features etc?

I understand you may not have even started building it but it would help me plan my stack for later.

Thanks in advance

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YES.

This is what we’ve been saying, lol. I’m not going to pretend that subliminals don’t make things easier, but the core essence of what Zero Point does (and I’ve been trying to figure out how to explain this for the new instruction manual material) is help you focus an intense amount of thought and energy toward a specific goal. This is what we mean by, “you can’t lie to Zero Point.” The script is so focused on the self, that the issues that emerges are ones you’ve already been dealing with, you’re just aware of them now.

So, a lot of the crap that you have to normally deal with, like doubt and the such, is dealt with so that you can focus on what you want to achieve.

And I don’t know why people don’t believe this. We’d make a lot more cash and the such by simply accepting all the praise given to the product, but what actually makes the products work better is when the person is taking action. When they feel empowered, they take more action and get better results.

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I’ve slways believed you all. I just get inpatient which is my own issue

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Probably, but Dragon Reborn isn’t one of the titles that will receive the entire overhaul experience like the really outdated ones. DR performs very well and we don’t want to tinker with that too much. Just add some NSE and latest tech. New box. Updated copy.

And to think, I almost vetoed the hell out of Dragon Reborn, but @Fire really pushed for it. I just didn’t like the concept or if it would even be popular.

… mistakes were made in that assessment. :wink:

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So does that mean that if a person were to run Quantum Limitless long enough and took action that they could be as or more intelligent as Einstein , Sagan , or Feynman?

That, I cannot answer. I do know that it will help you max out your current limits of intelligence. But, it’s not going to happen passively. Studying things – ANYTHING can help. Like I said before, @Fire and I play a lot of strategic video games (take Old World, a 4x game) that requires a lot of problem solving and deep thought just to keep our minds firing. Many would say that it doesn’t help with anything, but I would counter that since fluid intelligence is defined as your ability to critically think through situations, then any action that requires deep thought, decision making, etc.

The Zero Point game we were working on was just that – intense puzzles and resource management to create dynamic situations where you had to think through the potential solution.

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I did mention taking action