what do you guys think about running HERO:Origins + True Sell + Nouveau RICH for becoming an expert at sales?
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Get a sales job first
I think running any wealth sub apart from NR is stupid right now. So yes, run NR.
Then I’d say HERO is very very very very good for the INTJ archetype especially so yes to that.
Those two are way more important for sales than true sell is… foundation Vs skill,
So run those two until you actually get a sales job so that when you run true sell you have experience to learn from
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Also depends what kind of sales job? There’s so many different options from:
- Business Development
- Account Executive
- Sales Rep
- Closer
- Setter
- Sales Engineer
So yeah really depends on which sales position your talking about.
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I’m finding a lot of success in NR for sales because I’m selling something a bit more innovative, that requires less alpha scripting, and aligns with my higher purpose, sort of.
My interpretation of why @azriel might be struggling with sales on MR (last I read, anyways) is because he hasn’t directly connected his sales job with his mission, apart from the income it provides.
So it depends on what you’re selling - kind of like how RoS and Love Bomb For Humanity will give you recon if you’re not on “the right path” for yourself, NR seems to have that effect. Value is key.
Edit: not that selling value is the key to success in sales. But NR seems to emphasize it. Regular “closer” type roles, EOG1/3/4, HOM, TS, RICH, RoM, LE, GLM:Co, OG commander, Love Bomb, I’ve seen success w/ them all
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I think you might be right that HERO is the best subliminal for the INTJ archetype currently… Until Emperor is updated.
I don’t think this is true entirely, but there is elements of what your saying I agree with totally.
Both in what I think your saying- as in I m not selling value or don’t see the value in what I am selling, or I’m selling just for the income? I’ve been selling more for the game and growth of it. It’s only in the last 6 weeks that the income has become the most important part. And that’s actually a positive transition for me since it’s related to more tangible freedom and goals for my life.
Also my mission is also around my development, getting to express my character, the leadership, fun, and innovation I have with my team- those all feel on mission. Now the deeper and more aligned mission is still developing but… I was also in recon from NR.
I closed last week (my first week on NR) with my biggest week yet -$105K in sales. NR is ‘healing’ or making not relevant a lot of the struggles I’ve had in the job. Not even in terms of consistent success but in terms of how I relate to sales, the flow of things, everything.
I can authentically be on my mission for gamified or winning reasons- there part of my purpose
I can also be authentically on mission for service and difference making purposes. NR is merging these.
NR gives me a deeper sense of mission and value alignment on what I am selling. It’s having me get it and care more. I find NR making me very authentic, at time blunt/brazen/ alpha and straight forward. I don’t think there is Alpha scripting in NR, I’m not sure there is even status scripting. Although confidence and some kind of compelling engagement is there.
what do you mean here? Don’t you think all sales is selling value. Its a fair energy exchange. If it’s not that, I would call it some form of trickery, duplicity.
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There’s a bit but not as much as alpha titles not sure about the status scripting part.
I think he meant in the sense that even if the product your selling is valuable it doesn’t mean it will get sold correct me if I’m wrong but that’s how I interpreted it. Like you could have the most valuable product in the world but if your rude to a potential client or say the wrong thing then no matter how valuable the product is the success will be much less which is obvious but yeah.
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glad you say this.
first of all, sweeping generalizations are rarely perfect 
but also i was kind of reading into the early vibes you were giving off with NR and trying to understand why it wasn’t helping you with sales.
Now, my take on it is it was just Revelations style recon before Revelations style breakthroughs.
Right now, Nouveau is the king of wealth subs over everything, IMHO…
So I’m not surprised that Nouveau is expanding your sales skills - but that might be more due to NWE than the actual Nouveau Rich scripting. Hard to say until more subs get released with NWE.
Give it 6 months where all the wealth subs are updated to ZPv2 MAX and NWE and I think Nouveau will become a much more niche product, because how many people are reaaaally building at-scale-disruptive start ups.
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Yes, it is.
When I say value i refer to societal value instead of individual value.
But at the end of the day subs are really wide use. My sales are doing AMAZING on NR too. I just probably won’t keep it once there’s NWE subs more directly focused on my goals. I’m using NR for NWE more than the Nouveau RICH effect
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I am inclined to agree with this. I see the iterative elements of this sub showing up like crazy in my business development work. Also respect from managers WAY higher on NR. But the sales elements may be from NWE. I’m curious on the non NWE elements of how NR effects sales. I’m also very curious outside of new wealth experience the value of NR vs. EOG as well.
Do you think the pure NR elements (outside of NWE) support with sales? That’s what I am trying to figure out. I think NR is also essentially a wealth manifestation sub outside of the NWE modality. Like R.I.C.H. but through entrepreneurship and disruption
I thought all updates were coming in November?
Again, that’s what I am trying to figure out the value of this outside of NWE. The focus, intelligence, and respect seems particularly to this niche sub. There is an authenticity to it that is support sales as well. I do see the disruption element showing up in both sales and BD, I’m doing things differently and it’s working. I also see the old money-new money links as well. I have the sense on this sub of leverage, looking for where I can exponentially multiple my value and earnings outside of and/or per my time.
I thought they start in november.
Not going to read too deeply into the stories/sales page to try and figure out the “independent sales value” question, just to keep things simple. But i’mma break down the objectives & see for myself right now, because I don’t really have a clue.
Quoted Saint but all bolding is mine, added after the fact
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