Saint Sovereign's Journal (HERO Origins + Khan Black ST 4)

[ABC333]

I like the idea of 3 minutes with up to 5 loops ever listening day (every other day). It could be like that weight loss trick of using a smaller plate. So if you do 5 loops you’ll be on the high end of that and you’re x4 the minimum recommended dose. So maybe that would actually help to curb the “greedy.”

My idea was to keep the healing titles as normal strength and everything else gets nerfed, if it has to be that way. Or make the full power titles only available to those who have used a healing title such as Regeneration for a minimum of 1 full cycle at recommended instructions.

Also I wonder if there is already some scripting for people to listen and know what their ideal listening amount is and to stick with that because well it’s the best course for the individual.

[Trader]

@ABC333

some scripting for people to listen and know what their ideal listening amount is

That’s one of the functions of Informaticon in customs at least. I think

[Invictus]

@SaintSovereign

We’re thinking of nerfing ZP a bit. We tested this thing extensively, and we know what the recon looks like and feels like at pretty much every level, and I keep seeing people consistently talk about how bad their recon is, and when they explain what they’re going through, it’s CLEARLY the result of overexposure.

I agree with this assessment.

Maybe you can have a system similar to the Elites discount and badge, where a certain amount of credibility and honesty would grant them access to higher power levels.

Oh and @ABC333

@ABC333

Also I wonder if there is already some scripting for people to listen and know what their ideal listening amount is and to stick with that because well it’s the best course for the individual.

Mind’s eye helped me figure my personal pattern, which has evolved further, and is at a point that it could overwhelm the majority here.

[Davisnwc]

I’ll be the first to say that I find ZP subs practically addictive, but what keeps me from overexposure is just reminding myself that these are tools in a journey of self evolution and with ZP it seems the more time goes on the more I manifest from them and practically become the scripting.

Basically what I’m saying is there’s no need to rush results with ZP or somehow fear that the exposure isn’t enough, but it’ll take patience (not much needed as ZP is very fast-acting). Those who are tempted to keep overexposing just need to remember that time is needed for your mind to “digest and utilize” the material in these subs, just like your body needs time to digest the things you eat and utilize the nutrients to reap the benefits.

[Invictus]

@Davisnwc

Those who are tempted to keep overexposing just need to remember that time is needed for your mind to “digest and utilize” the material in these subs, just like your body needs time to digest the things you eat and utilize the nutrients to reap the benefits.

Unfortunately, people mix up “faith” with “reliance” here, or else this wouldn’t have been an issue in the first place.

[Davisnwc]

Folks have to realize that it’s not just the tool, it’s how you wield it, there are no magic pills in life and the point of these tools is to upgrade your potential and more importantly take action to fulfill it. Where’s the power in just sitting around waiting for results?

[TheSunlightCaller]

I’m just sayin, wouldntjathink that recon over and over means you are taking on too much. That’s means to slow down and take it easier. You bought the subs and they’re not going anywhere. Recon can knock you out of the game, sometimes for days or weeks. Build a strong foundation. Easy does it.

[Budewr]

@SaintSovereign

Awake. Usually at night, around 8pm.

nice i will try to listen to my subs only when im awake to test to see if my results differ

ive only strictly listened to them when im asleep only since i discovered subclub , so ill see how it effects me

thanks!

[Budewr]

@Melior

I listen to the subs the same way, so just before sleeping (plus it gives awesome dreams lol)

wouldnt it be better if you listen first thing in the day? that way it effects your whole day rather than playing them before bed right?

i have to test strictly awake listening, maybe its better, plus the internal mood change is very nice after the loop

[ksub]

@SaintSovereign

We’re thinking of nerfing ZP a bit. We tested this thing extensively, and we know what the recon looks like and feels like at pretty much every level, and I keep seeing people consistently talk about how bad their recon is, and when they explain what they’re going through, it’s CLEARLY the result of overexposure.

Even if you nerf it, people will still find a way to overexpose themselves. Then what? Are you going to nerf it again? My opinion is that most people follow the guidelines. So you’re going to nerf a technology that seems to work beautifully because a minority of people can’t follow instructions.
@SaintSovereign : Those are the same people who try to cross a highway on foot (knowing full well that it’s illegal), then get hit by a car. Then what do we do? Do we stop driving fast on highways because some people can’t follow the law?

Ever since I joined this community (years ago) some people were already not following the rules. It’s never going to change.
You’re trying to solve a problem by creating a bigger one (aka penalizing the majority because a minority won’t listen).
Edit : @SaintSovereign , you told us already that the current ZP is a nerfed down version of what testers used. Cool! So I’m already using a weaker version of the actual tech. Now I’m going to have to use an even weaker version because some folks can’t follow instructions?

Edit #2 : I went ahead and downloaded to my computer the current ZP versions of all the subs that I ever purchased, especially those that I haven’t ran yet. I don’t feel it’s safe to leave them in my account and wake up one day to all nerfed versions.
This is @SaintSovereign 's platform and those are his products, he has a right to do whatever he wants to do. I don’t have a problem with it. I do have a problem with being penalized because of some folks who won’t listen.

[Simon]

@SaintSovereign

We tested this thing extensively, and we know what the recon looks like and feels like at pretty much every level, and I keep seeing people consistently talk about how bad their recon is, and when they explain what they’re going through, it’s CLEARLY the result of overexposure.

Saint, could you please analyze the data and confirm if there are clear measurable recon differences between the December 2021 ZPP releases and the February 2022 ones?
(which won’t be shocking given how hard you guys were working behind the scenes specifically for this purpose!)

For me, all the recon management tools – food, water, sleep, timing, 3-5-7 min being better, separate the 2 files by a few hours, take more rest days between plays, etc. – are only necessary for the older files.

The later releases do not need any further support besides the Official Listening Guidelines.

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Obviously, people are different, and it’s possible that those who found Qv2 challenging to run, also require recon management on ZP. So of course, the question applies to the majority of the bell curve.

[Malkuth]

@Simon

Obviously, people are different, and it’s possible that those who found Qv2 challenging to run, also require recon management on ZP. So of couse, the question applies to the majority of the bell curve.

This is the part I relate to the most.

It has been pretty rare for me to identity with most of the reactions and experiences that I’ve seen people share. I’ve always just chalked it up to individual differences.

I feel like I’ve had neither the super-dramatic highs nor the incredibly grueling lows. Just lots of unfolding results that seem to surprise me by ‘popping out of nowhere’ most of the time.

As I’ve shared, I walk and meditate a lot and it seems to help a great deal.

Now with Dragon Reborn, I’m experiencing some effects, but again they seem to be very much in line with normal processing of this program (i.e., uncertainty, internal reflection, taking more time to relax or replenish energy). People usually reserve the word ‘recon’ for ‘uncomfortable symptoms associated with excessive exposure or processing difficulties’.

Going by that definition, I haven’t experienced much of that. Not with current ZP, and not with earlier ZP, Qv2, Qv1, or earlier versions. (Or, I experienced them without realizing it. Kind of the same difference.)

[AlexanderGraves]

@ksub

Even if you nerf it, people will still find a way to overexpose themselves. Then what? Are you going to nerf it again? My opinion is that most people follow the guidelines

Thinking the same here.

Of course I don’t have the data but it seems like it’s the loud minority.
Me included. But I know what I am doing. I just report it.

Then again you have better data to judge that. I’m fine with either.

However, FOR ME the 15 min versions are def too strong. I run well with 3 or 5 minutes and more rest.
BUT that’s me. For others it works super fine so idk.

[Melior]

It’s not that important you know

The end result is the same it’s just about your preference

[jay_s]

I would also ask you to not nerf it. The current builds work extremely well, with quick results, and do not cause recon if you follow the guidelines. The strength is very comfortable. It really doesn’t need any weakening.

The people who think they know better than to follow guidelines will always manage to not follow guidelines and overexpose, even in a weaker version. That should not be a cause to weaken it for the rest of us. Your product, of course, but I’d put in my vote to keep developing this with a good strength for people who follow the guidelines and let the others deal with the consequences of their own decisions.

[AlexanderGraves]

@jay_s

The current builds work extremely well, with quick results, and do not cause recon if you follow the guidelines.

That’s simply not true. For some people the regular recommendations end up in heavy overexposure.

Might work for you. Might even work for most people, but this broad statement is just wrong.

Then again, depending on data, if the majority is fine with it, the other people (like me) could just run it for 3 mins and be fine.

[jay_s]

Oh, sure. That statement was a bit too general. But in this case there is a solution by running it shorter, and it seems to work very well from what I read. Or take more rest days. Either way the current build strength seems to work well for people with a little bit of sense. (And being able to run it with even less time is actually better, in my books.) My point was that nerfing it would punish those people, while not preventing those without from overexposure.

[anon46881528]

@SaintSovereign

I keep seeing people consistently talk about how bad their recon is, and when they explain what they’re going through, it’s CLEARLY the result of overexposure.

With all due respect, have you considered that people are different and some people are just much more sensitive? without having to assume that everyone is lying?

I mean technically, for a sensitive person the current ZP with the recommended listening guidance could still be overexposure, FOR THEM. It doesn’t automatically mean the recon they are getting is because they are listening to way too many loops, and not having enough rest days.

I have been following the recommended listening pattern loops and days off and I am still getting really bad recon. Hence, I am going to try out the 3-minute loop. I know for a fact I am not lying. So please don’t assume that everyone is lying, I am sure there are people that are, but not everyone is.

I have come to the conclusion that I am just ultra-sensitive, it does make sense though as I am sensitive to a lot of other things in life, like caffeine for example.

[Chase]

What are the symptoms of overexposure? How are they different from reconciliation?

[AlexanderGraves]

@Chase

What are the symptoms of overexposure? How are they different from reconciliation?

For me, overexposure is a clogged mind. You have issues talking properly, clear thoughts, etc. Dreams are very foggy, etc. Easily triggered.

Recon is more like a healing. You feel something happening, might also be triggered, or angry, sad, etc. But the variety of emotions is different. And it vanishes quickly.

So overexposure you feel fucked up, recon you feel taxed but you know something is happening.

Might just be me tho.