Hey guys,
Looking to design a stack for someone I care deeply about that has dealt with massive levels of trauma in her life.
Physical abuse. Emotional abuse. Sexual abuse. Abandonment. The whole nine yards.
Any guidance would be appreciated 
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Dragon Reborn for 2 years+ Rebirth and the Elixir
All in Zp format.
It will do the job
6 months for each stage
Be prepared
I speak from experience
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So youāre recommending
Dragon Reborn - ST1 = 6 months
Dragon Reborn - ST2 = 6 months
Dragon Reborn - ST3 = 6 months
Dragon Reborn - ST4 = 6 months
Elixir and Rebirth for 2 years
Thatās incredibly in depth - appreciate it!
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Dr st1 for 1 month then include + the Elixir + Rebirth then proceed for 5 months
Same with st 2,3,4
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I was wondering, why no one else has come up with something like these mp3ās. There are two types of people in my pre-conceived thinking, those who are practical and hard working and those who were born to bring in the invisible attributes of mankind, one with love and forgiveness of their fellow men and women. Since I was at deaths door that fatal night, the flesh, my body and all its senses realized that, a person canāt do without another side of him or her and remain whole.
Those who are logical in everyday life depending only on their own strength and wisdom fail to realize a part of them is dying because life needs help from the spiritual to remain in balance and this is a delicate balance! I hated myself because I got hurt badly, but before I controlled the reigns of my life and how much I wasnāt in control! I was once blind but now I see!
Obligatory question here because Iāve been researching a lot of this lately. Is she currently seeing a therapist at all? Anyone she can firmly rely on in case whatās brought up she canāt handle on her own? With that level of trauma itās pretty serious.
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The reality is that therapists donāt have your best interest at heart. Even if their intentions are pure. They are directly compensated on how often you come and how long you see them. Where is their incentive to actually fix the issues you have? The only benefit I see a therapist providing is a safe, comfortable environment to have a conversation but that isnāt going to move the needle in deep trauma work.
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For talk therapy, yeah itās not all that useful for trauma work. But there are some that utilize hypnosis, NLP, EMDR, somatic experiencing, IFS, all types of different modalities that can help. And yes there are some really bad therapists out there that shouldnāt be practicing. But there are good ones too.
Most individuals with heavy trauma have a lack of ability to self regulate their emotions. It can be dangerous having them go through that on their own without someone else being there that has seen what those reactions are, how to guide them through it, and helping them ground themselves. Thereās a potential to re-traumatize, strengthen flashbacks, increase avoidant behavior, etc. Thereās a lot that can go wrong. Trauma physically effects the brain and how it develops depending on when it occurs.
Iām not saying the subs canāt help, but they definitely shouldnāt be the first line of action for dealing with the trauma. The bottom line is you donāt really know how sheāll react to the subs and without a support system in place it can be dangerous.
Really not trying to be negative here or discouraging growth and overcoming trauma. But itās a very deep subject.
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I agree working through deep trauma work like this will not be easy.
But not dealing with it is more dangerous.
This is merely the modality I want her to use. If further support is needed it will be provided.
I understand. I would be careful with using Dragon Reborn. From what I understand thatās more of an advanced level subliminal designed to really clear out everything. Itās definitely not an easy one and it requires a solid foundation first. Depending on where she is at in life that can cause some trouble.
OK
First
Dragon Reborn will bring up all of the traumas
Will it make her reexpirience all the shit
Yes
Will it be to much
Yes
Can she handle it
Yes
Will she have horrible days/weeks/months
Yes
So what
Does she have the guts to go trough for her own freedom?
Thatās the only thing that matters because there is no way around
And from my experience if the traumas are to dangerous to face or expirience Dragon Reborn will soften it until you can face it and realese it.
Thats tremendous help.
I have healed from unimaginable things with Dragon Reborn
She can do it.
Yes, dragon reborn will definitely work, however, its often too much for a beginner. Not that beginners cant handle it if they truly commit.
What ends up happening with DR is someone listens to it and then feels like theyre getting worse rather than better. Because the subliminal brings the trauma back to the surface.
So their very first association with subliminals is when they listen, they feel worse, and when they stop, they feel better.
Psychology has shown us time and time again that people will give in to associations that are that strong.
Which is why I and many others here start off by recommending subliminals that have very fast acting, immediately beneficial, almost universally positive effects.
Aka what I recommend for the person you care about so much: Chosen.
Chosen is a subliminal that increases positivity, joy, love of life, and helps people interact with others in a more lovingly compassionate but assertive way. Aka with loving but firm leadership and a capacity to harmoniously set boundaries.
It is the base of positivity that she should solidify before taking on a major challenge like DR. It will be a positive experience that ends up with her enjoying and committing to subliminals of her own accord, rather than at your prescription. She will feel the joy and want to continue for herself.
Chosen also comes with a second Subliminalā¦ Chosen From Withinā¦ which is a heavily healing based subliminal, similar to chosen, but with more love, forgiveness, healing, and compassion.
But in abuse, people often give up their power, which is why Chosen is better to start with. Itās also better to start with chosen because thereāll be less recon, and itāll be more universally positive.
If she wants, she can stack it with Rebirth later on down the roadā¦ until sheās 100% excited about subliminals and is researching them on her own, she should only listen to one subliminal at a time.
Chosen is a great beginner sub, Chosen From Within is a great intermediate subā¦ and when sheās ready, meaning when she fully accepts and even appreciates that subliminals will make things temporarily worse but always make things permanently better, THAT is when she can and should commit to running DR for a long period of time. DR is the most optimal sub for trauma, but the worst sub for a beginner.
Iād say start with Chosen, like I got my girlfriend to do when it came out. She was listening to regen and heartsong but the healing brought up too much trauma and made her feel worse when listening. I saw the benefits of her healing, but she didnt, so she quit. It wasnt until I introduced her to chosen that she finally saw the benefits of chosen and noe willingly and diligently listens to a stack of chosen + heartsong + regen. She researches on the forum on her own and makes her own decisions, and sometimes asks me for help, but often does things independently.
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So you believe I should start her off with Chosen first, then Chosen From Within?
I believe you should start her off with chosen, and she should decide what she wants to do from there. Sheāll have CFW for free so sheāll probably pick that. Other good subs for her would be seductress to help her get back her sexual confidence after abuse, or rebirth to help her deal with the memories of the past that haunt her.
If sheās interested in regeneration or lovebomb, should definitely listen to CFW
I am choosing what she does. Just need to figure out what is the best option.
Wow I never looked at it like this
Then if youāre choosing for her, start with Chosen. Eventually switch to chosen from within. She can alternate themā¦ listen to chosen for a cycle, then CFW for a cycleā¦ but its best to not stack them
Adding in rebirth when sheās ready to really go deep into healing would be good. Start with just one sub at a time though.
Those three subs alone will give you 6 months of a stack, and then can you go for DR from there
Iāll throw in some actual experience, having experienced traumas similar to your girlfriendās.
Chosen sounds GREAT to start her with, as itāll give her confidence in herself and around others, where people will be positively attracted to her. I did Chosen for a month or so before CFW was released. I jumped on to CFW right away, thinking itād be manageable. However, CFW has Regeneration in it, and I found it to bring on a lot of recon. Regeneration is much more confrontational with past traumas, Iāve spent countless hours of my life actively avoiding these traumas, which is why I donāt use Regeneration so willingly anymore. I felt powerless to old traumas at times on CFW and even solo Regeneration since it shoots straight for the core traumas.
Iām definitely not alone either. Saint shared he experienced some major recon on CFW recently. When one has gone through this, it feels really good on the other side (it did for me), but Iāll not be back for another round of personal hell. No thank you.
I started DR ZP St.1 about a week back, for Iām sick of this merry-go-round. DR, in my experience, is much gentler on a personās psyche. I also started on the Q version when it came out, but it was rougher than ZP Iāve found. Itās been stated it comes from a completely different angle, and Iām using 1 loop with 2 rest days. Realizations come on listening days and rest days, with major awarenesses coming at both. Iām sticking with this since this is manageable. People give opinions all the time about a programās strength, but Iām sticking with it due to my experience. Itās gentler than Regeneration on past traumas, and one can adjust loops or intensity by doing less loops in a week and taking more rest days.
Thatās my experience with healing subs at SC. Iāve done Rebirth ZP too, but Iāve had positive and negative experiences. The new ZP build is much stronger, so sheād be advised to be gentle with herself. While doing my first loop of Rebirth ZP, I realized it was the reason Iād always had recon when using earlier versions of Emperor. It shakes oneās whole reality initially.
And as a final point, I use subs due to my known avoidance of past traumas. Iād done counselling for years 30 years back, I graduated into therapy in later years, but I pulled out of therapy when I found I could do EMDR by myself. I found myself going too deep and too fast searching for instant solutionsā¦but my āinstant resultsā mindset couldnāt make peace when sitting with even small emotional hangups for days. I could give you 2 resources on that if you desire.
But in the end Iāll personally promote DR. Manageable. Adjustable. And Iām not stuck crying for days on end. Trauma sucks. DR is a valid solution, from personal experience.
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