So I was reading up on Ivan pavlov in psychology and classical conditioning and I was curious, if I was to use a form of classical conditioning for ex. if I do a negative behavior then I punish myself by either snapping a rubber band on my wrist or have a friend embarrass me in public, think impractical jokers, where if you don’t pass the challenge you get punished. I even thought about having my friend slap me in front of people as a punishment, would this interfere with the sub in anyway? lol
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It wouldn’t interfere with subs but you could just grow your self control and discipline by making your decisions mindfully on your own long term like an independent human being that you are instead of trying to get your friend to mommy you because you don’t want to put in the effort and willpower on your own. You’re not a dog that gets punished and conditioned. You’re a man. This is a great opportunity for you to grow stronger and become better by learning how to navigate better in life. By that I mean learning how to hold yourself accountable and to a standard that you set for yourself. Not through your friend, but yourself. The wrist band sounds fine but it’s best you do this on your own. Whatever path you choose. Anything else is keeping you at a child level of accountability and willpower.
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You bring up good points. Maybe the friend thing was a bad example. My thinking was using a rubber band as a self discipline tool, so like if I procrastinate, do a bad habit I’ll snap the rubber band to discipline myself or to associate the behavior with something undesirable. That was my line of thinking more or less. Also, in society, we do have some form of conditioning, like if you break the law, or speed etc, there are punishments. But I get what you mean about the friend part. I throw ideas out there and see what sticks and what not, that one didn’t stick 
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I would suggest to get smelling salts or something that smells nasty.
So everytime you are doing something undesirable take a sniff.
And everytime you are doing something good, maybe reward yourself with a small chocolate or something like a single m&m.
As much as it sounds like training a dog, All social media apps do the same thing with ping sounds. Tiktok is one example
One easier way is to just get E:E. it has made getting things done easier, by rewarding you with energy for working. So you feel more energized After completion of work
So true, I even read somewhere that they hire a team of psychologists to create social media apps that get you addicted.
thats a good idea, I’ll definitely try the smelling part, that might be better to work with
This is different from classical conditioning.
Here are some concepts to explore:
positive reinforcement
negative reinforcement
escape conditioning
shaping
unconditioned response
conditioned response
condition stimulus
unconditioned stimulus
establishing a baseline
Also pay attention to the timing and order of the ingredients.
Also, why would you want to hurt yourself when you might be able to accomplish a similar result through positive/rewarding means? [@Spartan was a bit more blunt about it.]
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A guy I know, millionaire and successful coach, used the rubber band method to loose weight and kill his chocolate addiction. Worked wonders for him and he didn’t gain it back.
Everytime he reached for chocolate bars in the store, he used the rubber band to punish himself.
Afterwards he started kissing his wrist saying positive affirmations like “I deserve to be healthy” “I love myself” etc.
This way he managed to drop the old conditioning (chocolate makes happy) to a better one.
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You make interesting points. So the way I see it is depending on how strong the habit is, positive/reward may not work for certain negative behaviors if there’s no pattern disruption. I believe it’s called aversion therapy. I’m still learning this subject so take my words with a grain of salt. I see the value of rewards as a great pair with aversion therapy to reward good behavior…again, just my opinion. The rubber band technique could not be worth it though long term, I’m always open to changing my stance on it.
Maybe thats what the missing key is, replacing the old destructive behavior with one thats constructive but fulfilling.
it works but only if the consequences are done not by you. By that, I mean, saying “I’ll study for an hour and then buy myself sweets” won’t work because you already can buy yourself sweets without studying for an hour. But if you send all your money to friend and tell him to only send it back if you will summarize the material to him in a video call - that would work.
Also, don’t use negative conditioning only, use positive one as well.
And no, it won’t interfere with subs. In fact, it will help you become the person you desire to be. I’m using it all the time
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I wonder if this would be considered taking action in sub club standards, like you reward good behavior that aligns with the sub and punish bad behavior that doesn’t.
Like I was thinking of using the objective list on each sub in the shop to measure my growth. Like for example for primal seduction, if I find myself acting non masculine, not confidence etc., I send 40 dollars to a friend or something that hurts so much that it makes me change my behavior immediately.
Thats a great idea and makes sense. I would make sure though its a friend who is not stingy with money and won’t spend your money, and make you wait another week to pay it back lol
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You can also read about the concepts above and notice which are more effective according to the research.
There is also a book that might help:
Feeling Good by Dr. David Burns.
I’d skip the section on neurotransmitters. The rest of the book might be applicable.
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Thanks, I’ll definitely look into that book.
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