Processing Days - An Analogy (for reflection and for discussion)

[Malkuth]

Let’s start with the main point:

Subliminals are active after your listening session ends.

When you play a loop of your subliminal and the track ends, it is now beginning to process.

After. You. Stop. Listening.

That processing goes on For. A. While.

And, the effect is cumulative.

So, after 3 or 4 listening days, you are processing even more than you were after the first listen.

Therefore, periodically, it’s important to allow longer periods of time to process.

You can think of it as similar to eating.

Your food digests the most after you chew it and swallow it;

…when you’re not thinking about it anymore;

…when the meal has “ended”.

And again, the effect is cumulative:

As you are eating, by the time you’re halfway through a meal, your digestive system has a lot more to work on than it did when you had only taken your first one or two bites of food. The digestive load accumulates as you swallow more and more food.

So when you’re eating a meal,

1. during your meal, you take a bit of time between bites to give yourself a chance to swallow (and breathe)

2. after your meal, you take a longer time between meals. This is when the body is digesting the entire meal that you just ate.

If your body is still very actively digesting your previous meal, there is no reason for you to begin another meal; because your body won’t yet be able to digest it.

This is the logic of non-listening days between listening days (i.e., time between swallows), and processing periods between overall listening periods (i.e., time between meals).

(Alternately, you could think of it as 1) we eat 1-3 (or 5) meals that are closer together in time. And then 2) at night while we sleep, we have a much longer period of time with no eating. Same basic logic either way.)

But the point here is:

The subliminals are active in your mind after your listening session ends.

Processing days are not the same as “days off”.

[gdbdboy]

Am liking your Posting Style after you have become the Ambassador . ( QL could also be the reason )

Keep them coming .

[Alphamale]

Very good
Thank you
Do you think following the guidelines but assuming each loop as 3 minutes COULD POTENTIALLY lead to overload? @SaintSovereign
I mean at the second rest day I feel processing, why is that?
I just listened to 3 minutes for gods sake. And I had loong washouts
Of course not as long as you:)

[Malkuth]

@Alphamale

Do you think following the guidelines but assuming each loop as 3 minutes COULD POTENTIALLY lead to overload?

20 pages of tasks like the ones below will probably not overwhelm you:

On the other hand, even one line of a task like this one might overwhelm you:

Processing a subliminal is not only a matter of time-quantity; but also a matter of your mind’s current capacity to work with and integrate the information.

Some will be easier for you, and some more difficult.

But if you keep at it, you’ll be amazing.

[Sub.Zero]

Sorry for reposting from my journal.

On my current listening pattern I can clearly distinguish the two essential phases of Mental Alchemy that is Saturation and Integration . I can feel Saturation (density of processing) increasing every day to the point where I start getting the symptoms of overexposure that indicates that my psyche’s got saturated with the scripting. Integration is something much more subtle and difficult to examine on but I discovered that the best indicator of it is the intensity of my dreams. When that intensity is really high Integration is occurring rapidly and intensively. I also discovered that what works best for me is to let Saturation reach its peak to the point I start noticing initial symptoms of overexposure and then take a break and let Integration (and, again, the intensity of my dreams is the best indicator here) slacken a bit. Then I go back to building up Saturation and so on.

To me, the most important part of Mental Alchemy is to help it create paths of manifestations. That’s all. That’s the tough part.

[Sungaze]

@Sub.Zero

symptoms of overexposure

What are these? Sleepingness?

[Sub.Zero]

Lower cognitive performance and feeling a bit tired mentally, in my case.

But yes, sleepiness is one of the symptoms as well.

[Alphamale]

A very nice and helpful post
I encourage others to write about their experiences on recon, processing and integration here.

[Alphamale]

I meant judging from a general standpoint.
Like an average brain/mind

[Alphamale]

For me
RECONCILIATION:

• sleepiness,
• intense emotions related to the nature of healing (mostly anger, frustration and once I experienced low self-esteem regarding my accomplishments) mostly opposite of what subs is trying to make you feel for example: if the sub wants to make you feel safe or empowered, recon will make you feel unsafe and weak.
• Lethargic and lazy
• fall in cognitive abilities, on Khan now I am having a “planning”cognitive drop(my hypothesis was that when Khan makes you relentless, then your planning gets weaker, but I am wrong I guess).
• physical pain if needed, for example I ran QL st4, I was feeling a pain on the (I guess artery) which was related to my nervous system, sometimes even the posture scripts can create pain.
• Urge to change stacks, CAN be the frustration.

PROCESSING:

• I read a @Fire post saying listen to your body, I put my attention on my head and I notice it’s working on INTERNAL things, which is most likely processing, it’s like an occupation of the brain.

INTEGRATION:

• I distinguished this since I I THINK I feel a sensation in my head when this happens, like creation of new neural pathways, it has a sound(THAT CAN BE MY NECK SCREECHING , honestly it’s like a mouse sound)

BLOOM:

• It’s when everything is done and manifestations happens, I dunno a lot about this process. It’s just a
  light and ok feeling and thingh happen to you!!

NOTE:

I could not COMPLETELY distinguish between the mechanisms up there, sometimes they overlap.

[James]

@Malkuth Less loops more rest time?

[Grasping_infinity]

@Malkuth

Subliminals are active after your listening session ends

I can attest to this. A week after I listened to Wanted, I heard the water sounds briefly just before waking up. Just between dreaming and awake-ness

[Fractal_Explorer]

A theory I’ve been thinking about lately. The subconscious has layers. When you listen to a sub during the active listening you hit the layer closest to conscious awareness. Personally subliminals are active for me during listening too. I can get “pulled” towards a certain state and if it becomes uncomfortable I can actively intervene. In that moment it’s easier to reconcile. However as the processing days move forward the subliminal moves towards deeper areas of the subconscious. Deeper more instinctual survival based places that you can’t always reach with the conscious. That’s why it’s important that the changes feel safe. I’m still not sure if these are layers of consciousness or actually sub selves within the mind, possibly different ages or levels of maturity. Lots of other theories already out there on the ecosystem of the mind. But in my experience the bridge to communication with them isn’t always there.

But my main point is those processing days aren’t always straight forward. What you experience after one day of processing might not be indicative of what’s to come several days out once it goes deeper. Which also can make it hard to determine if it’s the workload you’re giving yourself or the content of the sub that might be giving you issues.

I think what we see in high flow factor individuals is an agreement at all levels that the changes can be committed. Whereas some people have either a web or maybe just one part of themselves pumping the brakes. So it’s rare you see complete stonewalling, there’s always some progress because things get carried along anyway. But it’s not optimal.

I definitely think there are a lot of old habits due to old tech. Not just subclub but any previous experiences with subliminals. We’ve definitely shifted towards more processing time and less active listening due to the amount of scripting that can be packed into a sub. But I wouldn’t mind seeing additional scaled down power levels for ZP.

Going with the whole digestive analogy, we don’t currently have a way to scale back the amount that we input except listening time. We don’t always eat the same amount of food for ourselves depending on conditions. I’d imagine our mental state is equivalent in what it can or can’t easily process on a particular day. You still want to eat, but you aren’t gonna force yourself to have a huge portion. Likewise you don’t completely not eat just because you’re less hungry than usual. I’ve found with the subs there is benefits to a sort of refresher to rebalance yourself, but in my case I know some days I would benefit but it’s still too much.

All being said, I think the heavily macro approach is only necessary if you absolutely need it. So I see the appeal of trying to keep everything as simple as possible. Different power levels would cause so much confusion and questioning with less experienced individuals.

@SaintSovereign Would love to hear your take on all this. If it’s based off false premises or not. Without knowing 100% how you guys build out these subs it’s all an intuitive guessing game at times with how our minds take in the info.