Primal + what? | I need more clarity Seeking Balance: From Alpha to Attraction

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#1

Hello, I’m new to SubClub.
I used to use programs from another company, but most of them didn’t work well for me.

Since using that alpha program, I haven’t attracted women into my life!
I became too serious, too mature, and not as fun as I used to be.

I had many problems with it:

  • It made me anti-social.
  • I received very little attention from women (I used to have a lot more women in my life before that).
  • I felt frustrated because I spent too much time working, because of the alpha program, and wasn’t attracting women into my life.

That’s why I think Emperor could be problematic for me, and that’s why I’m not sure if I should run an alpha program.

I’m starting Primal (I have PS and WB, but I think I should build some foundation first.)
But then I thought to myself, “Primal doesn’t include wealth-building, as far as I know.”
Now I’m not sure if I need to mix subliminals just yet.

However, what kind of titles can I mix with it in the future to still attract women while also focusing on wealth and confidence?

I’m afraid of using another alpha program that will make me work more without actually achieving more money or attracting women into my life!!

I used to be super fun and attractive, and women wanted to be with me all the time. But I became like a too-serious old mature alpha who thinks about the future instead of living in the now and effortlessly attracting women.

I think Primal will help, but I also want to be an alpha who can attract women, be fun, be sexy, and have both money and success easily…

I hope some of you can relate.
It feels like the world has become heavy for me, and it’s been 2 years already.
It’s not fun, to say the least.

By the way, I used Elixir and Paragon for a few weeks. Elixir made me feel relaxed, almost like I smoked weed, and it helped me unwind a bit. Paragon improved my health while I was using it, especially with managing pain.

That’s how I know Subliminal Club is real! Even though I didn’t feel much from running PS or WB for a week or two, Limitless Elixir and Paragon worked for me immediately! I know I just need to build a foundation.

Thank you.

#2

Yeah, Primal is definitely your best bet if you want to attract and have fun. I’m looking at it myself for next year’s stack.

Not suprised that you didn’t feel PS/WB btw.

For WB, it’s one of the most advanced titles in the store, and on top of that, it’s a dense title. High word-count in the scripts. Difficult subject matter. So you could have been feeling a lot of recon if you were listening to the full 15 minute loops, which either feels like sh*t or doesn’t feel like anything at all.

Something the founders talk about incessantly on the forum, but haven’t included into the listening instructions yet, is the idea of “microloops.” AKA starting out with 30 second loops, seeing how you react to them, and then increasing from there until you find your sweet spot.

As for Primal Seduction, it’s not the easiest beginner title, but why I think you might have not felt anything is because it’s very specifically an “Approach” title. If you’re not cold approaching women, if you’re not surrounded by women and trying to initiate sexual conversations with them, the PS scripting won’t activate, and you won’t feel much.

As for Limitless Executive/Paragon, they’re much lighter scripts, very low recon, and would work much faster, they’re also simpler in their objectives, it’s easy to be productive and healthy, because those are things 100% in your mind’s control, opposed to sexual and attractive, which is in someone else’s control as well as yours.

edit: you wrote limitless elixir… i had misread limitless executive, a productivity sub… but the same principle applies to elixir and feeling calm. it’s within your control.

Primal IS a sex sub for sure, but it’s also an alpha sub. It gets you the respect of men AND women. So, there’s certainly an argument to be made that it’ll be helpful for you in the workplace.

As for how to add wealth to it, well, you should learn from your prior experiences and start with the realization that you do well with lighter, simpler subs, like Elixir and Paragon, opposed to huge archetype (personality-trait-cluster) subs like WB, PS, and Emperor.

That immediately brings two ideas to mind for me for wealth.

One… just run Limitless Executive alongside Primal. Build up your productivity, creativity, efficiency at work, and problem solving. That is the fastest and most guaranteed way to get wealthy. I used LE as part of my wealth stack to build my income from 30k/yr to 200k/yr in 2 years. I wasn’t waiting for wealth to “manifest” in my life. I went out and chased it. You’ll get fast results from LE if your prior results are any indicator.

Two… run Genesis alongside Primal. Genesis is an all-in-one beginner friendly subliminal that has wealth scripting, social scripting, sexual attraction scripting, very slight healing/results-enhancing scripting, and is specifically designed for people new to subclub to get a little bit of everything. Where Genesis specializes, on top of being an all-in-one, is in the self-understanding department, and it’s a title (not unlike Primal) designed to make your life FUN.

just so you know, Genesis and Genesis: Mogul are totally different products, but they share a brand name/category. A bit of the Genesis “find your purpose” scripting is in Genesis: Mogul, but apart from that, they are completely separate products. If you’d prefer a completely dedicated wealth sub, Genesis: Mogul is your best bet.

Honestly, stacking primal with any of the titles I listed above would get you great results. My recommendation would be to run maximum TWO titles (primal + one more) for 2-3 months, and keep it to two maximum until you are getting such good results with them both that you’re shocked to your core.

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#3

Wow, that’s amazing!
I own Limitless, but LE sounds like something that could help me as well.

As I understand it, LE doesn’t provide long-term cognitive benefits like Limitless does.
But did you experience any long-term effects from it anyway?

I never tried it but I get what you are saying it does make sense.

I thought about it! I was considering Genesis, Ascended, or Ascended Mogul. But you brought up something I hadn’t thought of—LE could offer a path to success without being too alpha or overly serious.

Genesis could definitely be an interesting complement to Primal.

Have you tried Primal before, or maybe Ascended Mogul, Genesis, Ascension, or Emperor? If so, could you share more about your experience with them?

Also, I’d love to hear more about your experience with LE!

With Primal as with the others I’m using full loops.
I heard about the micro loops but didn’t feel much from that either I did hit a bad recon most of the times TBH
Today I ran Primal for 5 min in the morning and had a co-worker more interested in me than usual

#4

No that’s not true. You’ll get long term benefits

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#5

One sub I would like to mention is Khan.
Don’t run it.
Now.
It’s not at SC beginner sub at all.

But… Stage 1, Total Breakdown, has scripting to remove all limiting scripting from other subs you’ve listened in the past.

So, let’s say you’ve run Primal and Genesis for a couple of months and still notice the limitations from the other producers alpha sub, you could run a month of Total Breakdown and see it melt away.

Just be warned, Total Breakdown is one of the hardest subs on SC. While some enjoyed it, others, even SC veterans, described it as a walk through hell.

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#6

I know the company your talking about, insane prices for their subliminal products!

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#7

And they they just lost me as their costumer!
I had a problem with one of their programs (very strange health related side effects)

So I can tell you one program is dangerous and another never gave any results…

Their clients service suck.

Anyway I’m on rest day of Primal today
And someone told me unlike that company, subliminal club don’t define for you what is an alpha.
So he said I could use the Emperor without ill effects with the primal or even ascension without any worry

I did read however some people mentioning that the emperor was too anti-social for them so I’m not sure…

Meanwhile I wait to see how the primal feels

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#8

Why not keep running elixir with primal? Give it time and it will make you very confident. Unphased and totally relaxed even around gorgeous women

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#9

I’d remove all that makes it possible to identify the company. They don’t like those kind of references here.

Edit
Removed my hints as well

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#10

It can be a good mix!

I currently have a few products in mind that I own, including:

  • Limitless, which feels a bit alpha, by the way
  • Elixir
  • Paragon, which is great for health
  • RotNW
  • Dragon Reborn LD

And some that I don’t own yet:

  • Ascension
  • LE
  • HoM
  • Emperor
  • Genesis
  • SSX

However, unless someone can share their experiences with Primal and how it combines with others—like Emperor, Ascension, or something else—I think it’s best to wait and see how I respond to Primal on its own to understand it better.

I might consider mixing in a bit of Elixir or Limitless, as I’m already familiar with how they feel. But I don’t want to confuse my results before fully grasping Primal on its own.

Unless, of course, someone has experience with this path and can offer some insights or guidance.

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#11

You’re right therefore
I don’t want to talk more about another company
I will just say for now it seems sub club is a good company

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#12

I think Primal is very good for the goals you have right now, it’s good to give it time to unfold on its own, smart decision, it has a lot to offer.

Since you are new I can recommend ,if you have not already, to go to the Product Discussion category of the forum and there you will find all the products and can read through user’s reviews of the products to get a better idea of the results you can expect or at least get a good sense of how it is affecting others.

There’s lots of posts that are just socializing/chatting/banter between different members that you can save time by filtering out by clicking on ‘Summarize topic’ at the top of each thread.

Have fun!

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#13

I was not aware of this feature!
After using it and exploring it seems like genesis or elixir can be the right ones for me

Genesis because it’s very general and healing + wealth attracting + romance + confidence

Elixir because it’s very healing + eliminates limiting beliefs

Emperor does not look like a good idea because it has anti social scripts and heavy

Stark might be good because it’s very attractive to women without being super alpha and it’s wealth related

About mogul and genesis mogul I’m too confused to understand then so I’ll take about Ascension

Ascension might be too alpha oriented however I don’t have enough information to assess it
Also it seems like genesis it’s more healing title.

Limitless Executive can be an interesting choice for wealth building however it might be too general on its own meaning I’ll need something with it + the main title which is primal to go with.
Not sure it’s a good idea at this point.

So for tomorrow I’ll choose to either go with genesis and primal
Elixir with Primal
Or just Primal
Nonetheless I’ll use Primal as my main choice for now
And I can only learn from the experience.
Even if I use genesis in my stack and then stop using Genesis I will at least know what Genesis is trying/doing

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#14

I’ve read multiple times on the forum that the current version of stark can make the mind very agitated, as in too many thoughts and jittery feelings like over the top thinking.

Ascension is definitely your basic alpha sub to build a solid foundation, I heard it’s tightly focused and light to run.

Godlike Masculinity is even more tightly focused, I am running it from time to time and it can be great if you want to get a boost of motivation and all masculine qualities in a lightweight easy to run program, to use as a booster, I ran a full loop this morning and I can definitely feel how light it is and how quickly it gets processed even with a full loop, it’s a dose of fresh clear energy, a good strong push from within.

Sanguine Elixir can be an interesting addition to Primal and soften the vibe slightly and bring that extra awareness of awe and joy, and maybe have a slight healing influence around aspects of yourself that Primal brings up and might be more difficult to integrate.

To me Sanguine Elixir seems light enough I think it can be run alongside Primal without disrupting Primal’s main unfolding.

You could test it out with a 5min loop once to see how it gels in your experience with Primal and go from there.

Since Genesis is so broad I would wait to run it solo for a while to get a clear feel, mixing with Primal sounds like a lot, especially if you’re just starting out with Primal.

Primal is such a beast and such a masterpiece and has so much to offer, so many intricacies to develop in social attunement and mastery and freedom of interaction creation, it’s a beauty worth giving time to, you are the beauty unfolding with that sub, you become the masterpiece, you deserve to treat yourself. My favorite sub so far that I will have to get back to once I build myself a more solid foundation.

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#15

Thank you!
I think you really helped me here!

Primal should be a beast :muscle:
Elixir is a very good title using just few minutes is enough unless you want to look like you smoked something lol

Limitless Executive should also be light and productive
So is the new limitless
My problem with limitless is that it’s too stressful for me and too direct and unemotional…
Never tried LE

For now I’ll use Primal tomorrow maybe with some Elixir :slightly_smiling_face:
You have some good points on Genesis I’ll not know what it’s doing plus Primal is dense enough by itself
I need to understand it better before adding something too broad like Genesis

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