Maybe we can share thoughts, experiences, perspectives?
I’ve been contemplating building a custom around ASBR.
While thinking about it, comparing modules, reading here and the copy ASBR presults started. The feeling is comparable to microdosing. Subtle, very open-minded, cheerful, focussed on the project at hand, the rest of the world drifted quite a bit away. (Got a bit clumsy too.) I feel the light pressure at the temples when heavy processing occures, yes, from not yet listened to sub. It is weird and fascinating.
(It is not from a different sub, I am at washout day 8 now, and the PRIMAL recon was gone by day 3.)
It feels pretty much how I imagine (parts of) ASBR would feel. (Just to be clear: IMO presults can‘t substitute sub use. As your subconscious is interpreting the objectives on the product page and is getting a feel from the copy, there are countless pages of script with not mentioned aspects still to be processed. Presults are maybe like a first pencil sketch for an oil painting.)
My 2 cents:
I suspect the Primer is key to the explanation. With every ZP sub basically telling you (crudely rephrased): Every objective in this sub (which are mirrored in the objectives list, on an emotional level in the new elaborate copy and reflected upon in this forum) are already part of you and you just have to find it inside yourself and fulfill your potentional, following the path that suits you best.
This is IMO the key mechanism, that is permanently trained by ZP. While other kinds of subs have to always start at zero with a new set of suggestions, ZP Priming gets stronger over time and every new ZP sub can build on an existing, everstrengthening foundation.
The NSE will probably at some point in the future get a very similar effect. (The manifesting of training challenges for specific traits as the main mechanism feels like the outer twin to the ZP Primer.)
After a while the Primer, the sub, the copy with objectives and this forum will probably build something like a Pavlovian unit which will grow in strength and cohesion as we use them all at roughly the same time and continuouisly together, which would explain presult: Whichever part we use (the forum with different formulations and more noise probably the weakest part of the unit) the subconscious assumes „the package“ and starts to process.
If this builds up further is has a plethora of very interesting implications and brings up a couple of questions:
The longer we use ZP subs the stronger presults will get.
(Linked: Do new users also experience presults? If not it would point to the theory above.)
What are the actual parts (the SubClub layout/logo/art, specific formulations, etc.) that trigger the presult processing?
How long are presults staying? Are they more than just a short (often emotional) impression?
How would a basic, singular sub work with pretty much all aspects described in the objectives? (I suspect that could work as a quite powerful an quick booster.)
Ps @Answergroup: Please delete if this post is to speculative or gives any wrong impression. That is never my intention.
I experienced pre-sults after I built a draft of a long-term development custom I wanted to make. I’d listen to it once per week, only on fridays, to not have the recon effect my work week, i could process it on the weekend and go back to my sales stack monday morning.
The custom included the modules Victory’s Call (eliminate avoidance), Purity Without (clean your environment), and Organization Perfected.
In my existing stack, I’m listening to Limitless Executive and some productivity modules in a custom.
SaintSovereign said somewhere that one possible reason for pre-sults is as people start to guess products and objectives, the results enhancers in their current stack kick in and help manifest the results of the objectives the person is guessing.
I felt like this happened after i drafted a fantasy custom with VC/PW/OP. Two days later I cleaned out my whole wardrobe, threw out all the clothing I didn’t LOVE, wrote down all the items of clothing that I have and like, and have plans on how to buy a few new items to spruce up the wardrobe so i always have the right thing to wear, but even if i don’t buy anything, it’s generally pretty good!
So… that’s a different type of pre-sults, but a good example
It is interesting that it also works with specific modules, as the description aren’t as long and elaborate, but I suspect the differences part helps, to get a better picture.
This thread could descend into “mind control” nonsense, and if it does, we’re simply closing it. We do not mind the discussion of such things, but nothing that can be weaponized by bad characters (especially with the mentioning of “Pavlovian conditioning,” which has no merit or usage in Zero Point and especially not in the New Subliminal Experience – both of which are the very opposite of “conditioning” and instead pushes for mental and physical freedom against what society has managed to condition you to do.
If society is “doing,” then Zero Point and NSE is the “undoing,” the slow but steady, intuitively guided journey to undo all the binds society has placed upon you through your own experience. The nature of the NSE, the fact that it uses your own experience and judgment to generate results – which many people here have experienced first hand – goes against any form of repetitive conditioning method, and is exactly why the Zero Point / NSE scripting method is far superior than “affirmations.”
Primer’s gone.
Been gone for quite some time. The primer contained basic status, wealth, romance, mind scripting, and people were experiencing more recon from the primer itself rather than the title scripting. That’s why we decided to split the primer into Ascension Chamber and then create more hyper-focused titles.
All of the titles since STKS and even some before no longer have a unified scripting base. Generally, we used a “standard script” for every title to guarantee a consistent experience. Right now, most of the titles achieves this goal, with Khan Black being the only one that really “feels” different, since it deals directly with energy.
Now, we no longer need a primer or “standard script” of any kind because we’ve figured out how to guarantee consistency of experience without having to modularize and “standardize” everything. And that’s one of our secrets that we won’t be sharing.
The beauty of the NSE is that the implementation of it in every title is slightly different. Different words, different flow, different feel. That’s because of what I mentioned earlier. The titles themselves are no longer modularized. They are all unique. Hence why we have to “mine the major titles” for the custom modules. It’s not as simple as just copying scripting from majors to customs. They have to be rewritten and ensured that they provide a similar experience as with the majors.
Now, to the question at hand. First, the concept of “presults” did not originate with Subliminal Club. It was actually a reported phenomenon at another subliminal forum, in which the proprietor that company dubbed “TID,” which meant temporal something something – can’t really remember. His explanation was something along the lines of the subconscious perceiving time as a “smear,” with potential outcomes possible, but not completely solidified and thus you would perceive the future usage of subliminal with enough transformative potential.
Is that true? Possibly. Because I cannot (and I am unwilling) to test that theory, I will not speculate.
When the concept spread to this forum – since many of you began there, I was skeptical (and I remain skeptical, but more on that in a minute) and simply thought that people were relying on a familiar experience to base their results on our products upon.
So the notion of an individual “experiencing results” before running it is not a phenomenon exclusive to our titles and does not indicate any kind of side effect of Pavlovian group thought. Group thought is a natural quirk of the human mind – humanity naturally forms communities out of survival instinct and a desire for higher aspiration. You put a group of people together on a deserted island, and they will form some kind of community, with rules and structures because it ensures survival and gives them a base of aspiration.
Likewise, given the very community focused nature of this company and the fact that our moderation team weeds out trouble makers very quickly, it is not surprising that the more advanced individuals (who are the ones experiencing presults) are capable of not only guessing what titles we’re going to release, but also getting minor results from this perception.
Why?
Because you’re all running titles full of scripting designed to enhance your mind, boost the connection between both hemispheres, boost visualization abilities, enhance manifestation ability, improve brainstorming power, improve your ability to create innovative ideas, etc. If you ran Nouveau RICH, you were exposed to scripting about market disruption (which we very much are), understanding avatars, understanding value.
Put all that together, and the reason an individual is able to accurately guess what we may release next is because that individual is successfully achieving the goals listed above. So, I want you to understand the nature of the relationship between producer and community here.
We create scripting that helps enhance an individual’s mind in all ways. They use the scripting, identify the flaws in the product they’re using with the enhanced mind they’ve developed, come back and tell us, we improve upon that and release it again. They proceed to get BETTER results, then come back to us and with their new Nouveau R.I.C.H. insights, report on it and the cycle continues.
And thus, part of this phenomenon of “presults” is the side effect of authentic engagement between customer and company for a common goal – to create the most effective and safe subliminal audio products to transform your life.
It’s our implementation of a new form of business, in which the entrepreneur receives inner enrichment from service to their community, and profitability and the such are the natural byproduct of this. I always had this idea for SubClub, but I really leaned into it once Andrew Yang started promoting something very similar, human-centered capitalism.
I have greatly benefited from this, as Khan Black – as you all know, is one of my favorite titles – would not be a thing without the community’s constant feedback that indicated a space for such an advanced title. This title, which has unlocked my creativity and drive for higher aspirations to new levels has been one of the greatest blessings that have come from this business.
So, am I surprised that @Simon was able to look at the features of Stark ZP and the things the community asked for, identify potential holes / opportunities and to a largely accurate degree, and guess that Stark Black was a potential release? Of course not. The scripting in our titles are designed to help you do this.
This is a known effect of energy moving throughout the body freely. It’s how I feel immediately after a loop of Khan Black and a short meditation session. As energy flows through the body freely, you experience a blissful sensation. Those who have run KB or avid meditators / energy cultivators know what this feels like.
And since energy predates action, what you’re experiencing here is – instead of feeling a sensation of fear or anxiety when thinking of taking action, you’re actually getting the proper response – movement.
It’s why people start feeling “results” when they read our copy. Of course you do. We deliberately write it in an evocative manner so that you would experience the same time of sensation you would as if you ran it. Of course the music gets a lot of attention. With Heartsong, for example – I took three of my favorite songs with that vibe and pulled deep inspiration from all of them. Go listen to:
… and then to Heartsong and you’ll see the clear connections in style of music, writing style, conventions, etc. For example – the lyrical style for all three songs use short “surface level” lyrics and they allow the depth to be conveyed by the music itself. All three songs use a repeating line to reiterate the theme of the song:
“She couldn’t wait another day for the captain of her heart.”
“All I need is a little time / … a little sign / … a piece of this mind.”
“You’re my playground love…”
“Can you sing me your heartsong?”
This is why @Fire and myself indulge in culture and learning so much. For us to understand what the community is asking for (such as the nonsense about Stark being too “feminine” – I knew what everyone wanted, but we couldn’t allow that rhetoric), we have to be extremely learned men. Polymaths. We spend a lot of time in deep thought and study. The lady chastises me for “reading encyclopedias all day” instead of hanging with her.
We do this is what we can reflect back to the community what’s sent to us. And that’s what I believe this “presult” thing actually is. A group of individuals with vision who have a unified goal – becoming legendary and exploring the universe on a deeper level than others. Or, the meaning of the opening in all the Zero Point Legends stories: Rising above time and the universe, a tale of chosen souls, united by fate.
As soon as you all begin to think on the deeper questions, confusion like this goes away. Here’s an insight that I’ve dwelled on for so long and that alone has led me so far: If you believe in the “law of attraction,” or “manifestation,” where your internal thoughts will manifest the outer reality, then you have to realize that this a natural property of existence, a law no different than the laws of physics or the laws of gravity. It’s just a law that we haven’t been able to fully grasp and test yet.
Either way, it means that everyone is doing this, ALL the time. Not just in bursts of “manifestation.” It means that you are attracting the future, right now as you speak. Literally. And it means that EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE on the planet is doing the same thing. Visualize that in your mind. Like wind currents. What exactly does that mean about reality?
For us, it meant that if we created a company that was fair, honest and authentic – that’s exactly the type of customers we would attract.
What these discussions tend to do is bring out the part of a person that doesn’t feel empowered. You believe the sub, or the producers have some ability you do not. No, we have abilities that we’ve develop, that you can too. And the fact that people are starting to crack what seems like a “random code” when it comes to releases and the such (we did say multiple times that there’s a research method of the madness that we could explain, but it wouldn’t be as fun) means that people are indeed developing those abilities.
You are the Zero Point. You are the block of marble. The sub is just a tool to help you carve that marble into whatever you want. You are the artist. You are always in control. You are the splendor. You are the sorrow. You are the failure. You are the success. The perception of everything you look at, is you.
And in all that, there’s the secret of Zero Point and the NSE. ;p
Beautifully written post, as a side note, it’s been pretty interesting to watch your journey over the couple of years that I’ve been around. To watch your writing and creativity expand and see that reflected both in your posts and in the direction of the company itself. The music, the box art, the sales copy. We’re all growing together, and every time I open this forum I have little expectation that anyone will be behaving the same one day to the next. Keeps it exciting.
I do wonder about something though, @SaintSovereign , in the 6 weeks leading up to the launch of ASBR, I was running Emperor, ME, and Paragon. Throughout that short journey, I started masterminding some kind of ultimate Stack.
Wealth, Cognitive Enhancement, Fame.
After thinking this stack up and looking at the catalog for a means to achieve it.
Boom!
QL drops. I held back, something in me told me that it wasn’t time for QL. So I kept my head down and started thinking more about the fame aspect.
Boom!
Primal drops.
Hmm…sounds like what I want, but I’ll wait.
Then I write a post, a random post, where I said that my goal was to consciously guide Emperor for fame. Stark had always been my favorite, but for whatever reason, I wouldn’t allow myself to run it. Something deep down made me feel like there were other areas that I needed to explore before I committed myself to that journey. Mostly areas related to dominance, which is why Emperor has been my most run.
So I go back to the drawing board, committing myself to Emperor because it’s devastatingly effective, in light of the drawbacks associated with the level of dominance that it provokes within me. This aspect of the Emperor has never been an “issue” with the Emperor itself, it’s just the reality of being that kind of man. People being intimidated by you, etc. I’ve seen that in other natural Emperor types and I’ve seen it in myself on Emperor. I accepted it and determined that I would just learn how to navigate that space, and learn how to use that dominance in a useful and productive manner instead of running from it.
So I planted the seeds of my writing career, finally. I’ve chased enough women, it’s time to settle into a career and start making some money, start living some other dreams.
Boom!
A Stark Black Reality drops.
Hmm…
How funny that a title that has everything I was asking for was to drop at a time like this. Was it my latent clairvoyance? Some nonsense about quantum consciousness that I don’t believe tells the full story. Or was it fate?
Not much of a question, now is it?
My only opinion on the matter, ironically, is that these questions, though interesting, are mostly a distraction from achieving the goals that we want to achieve. Possibly even a form of recon.
The whole idea of presults (getting results before running the sub) has me skeptical, too.
It makes me think of that scene in the first Bill and Ted movie when one of them is cornered and closes his eyes and says “Remember the trash can!” until a trash can falls over the head of the person chasing him.
That’s still contingent on him remembering to go back in time later and lie in wait with a trash can to drop. If he forgets to do that or decides not to, major causality paradox.
This “presults” thing seems the same me. If it’s supposedly results based on the sub somehow reaching back and changing shit from the future, and you decide not to run the sub, major paradox.
I notice that when people report presults, it’s about titles they already know about and are anticipating.
IF it were actual results from sub use in the future, you’d get the “presults” even before knowing about each and every title.
The fact I only see “presults” posts when it’s titles people already know about suggests to me a much simpler explanation.
Really don’t want to open it again after @SaintSovereign’s beautiful post.
Well…
I don’t believe in time travelling subs or anything outlandish like that. Basically just: Longtime users know and have internalized the ZP mechanism and use it subconsciously when they read the copy in the projected direction.
Hate timetravel paradoxes with a vengeance. Always lazy storytelling or incredibly boring.
Personally i was getting ASBR pre-results even before knowing it would be out. I suspected
1: Heartsong 2: Seductress Dark 3: PS: Iron Throne Upgrade turning into Primal Nights 4: King, a new title
All i knew was that i will be using a title from the new drops. My pre-results were people getting more physical and comfortable around me and incresed popularity.
These subs work on a level we may never fully comprehend. The manifestations and other effects i’ve felt and achieved are beyond mind blowing. This could be the case when it comes to a sub that will dradtically change your life as i’ve barly felt pre results from subs i ran after relese or that ASRB is that strong compared to pre ZPV2 Max.
The way i view it is. Something like this is possible in real life, makes me excited to live and see more of this mysterious yet wonderful world. Just my two cents
Mine weren’t. Or I suppose I’m pretty quick to dellude myself into thinking they weren’t, but at least in my experience, I didn’t anticipate ASBR and these days I don’t interact too much on the forms.
All the presults leading up to the drop seemed to arise organically from my Emperor experience.
Like my fame post with Emp, I posted that days before ASBR dropped, and up until that point, I don’t think I’ve ever consciously desired fame. Nor did I have any real inclination that ASBR would drop, because I pretty deliberately try to avoid looking at new products. After all, I’m such a filthy and notorious sub-hopper.
However, I agree with the skepticism and ultimately still feel that though these things might have a certain fun factor to talk about, as we are all exploring our minds implicitly by being here, it’s still kinda just distracting from the real goals.
Like, whether presults exist or not doesn’t really have a huge barring on anything we do, because I think we can all agree that “presults” whatever they are, aren’t ever going to compare to buckling yourself to the seat and hitting the gas on your dreams.
As to the time-traveling thing, one way to resolve that is to just take a non-linear view of time, which some physicists are trying to do, and have been trying to do for a while. Time paradoxes are impossible because time doesn’t function in a straight line of cause and effect, it only appears that way at the macroscopic scale. That’s how you get around time-paradoxes. But what that also means is that direct time-travel doesn’t have any causal effect on your time-line, it creates (if it’s even possible) a split–a new causality chain that is completely independent of the one that you left from.
Your causality chain ends in your universe the second you step into the time-machine, so nothing you do will have any causal effect on the universe that you left, you’ve left the causal chain, and created a new one in a new universe.
And now I’m the one getting distracted with stuff that doesn’t have any effect on whether or not I achieve my goals.
This has been a really interesting experience in itself. The subliminal is like the catalyst for an intensely active dialogue within myself that then expresses outward. It’s just so damn efficient and no matter how many times it happens it still amazes me.
I had posted a rather interesting observation about society and the world as a whole, but I opted to delete it. I’ll just say this, as I’ve mentioned before: something strange is happening with humanity, and I know most of us can feel it.
Or, the stories of the Zero Point will have become mythological, being uncovered by a fledging society building itself up for what it thinks is the first time – if you catch my drift. There is nothing new under the sun.
So just like in our time cheeky. However traditional wolrdview requires a begining and an end. Yet if nothing is new under the sun then there are no beginings or first times. Only a quantum physics’esque reality.
cheeky. However traditional wolrdview requires a begining and an end. Yet if nothing is new under the sun then there are no beginings or first times. Only a quantum physics’esque reality.