thanks rv, even if i run my ultima like this, it will still cause long term programming? right?
It could and I would count on it. I thought that Ultima was creating more significant changes as I was testing it. I was only doing a few loops a week.
@NinjaFox - I have used both Elixir and Paragon.
What I have observed is that Elixir does physical healing but for light cases and for physical issues tied to emotional issues (same for physical healing of Dragon Reborn ST2). Eg- it could help with a mild cold or stress.
Paragon programming is more directed at the physical level directly (pun intended lol)
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thanks the post helps out
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i just want my ultima to count as long term in terms of programming it into my submind, i dont want to run an ultima title for 4+ months then boom the results stops once i stop listneing to it
i dont mind if its called a booster or major, thats my end goal for the results to last 
Can I try a completely different lawyer game here?
What if I run one QV2 loop a week?
Diminished results? Or not as fast? Like, what are the test results of this?
My question is based on the fact that people try to shoehorn as many loops as possible into one week, but I feel like - especially with QV2 - less can be more. Why is everyone rushing it?
Considering how powerful processing days are, why do I have to be “ON” the subs all the time?
Do they lose power over time if I stop them? I don’t think so. I still feel Khan working sometimes although I am off it for months now.
Just curious about the test findings for this.
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I’ve done that on Emperor and in my experience, I still continue to get results.
For me, can do 1 loop a week and it’s enough for me to continue growing in the direction of the subliminal. Most people go day by day, I go week by week.
If I listened to Emperor once this week then I feel like I am set for the whole week and my exposure to the subliminal is going to progress me this week more than last week. I personally think that every listen has a permanent effect. The way I see it is that when I listen to the subliminal, I am inputting the script to my subconscious mind and then once my subconscious mind has had time to fully process it then I have permanently changed, grown or progressed in some manner
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I get a strong sense he doesn’t like lawyer games 
On a serious note @AlexanderGraves , it sounds like you have a good set of test questions to run and customize your experience. Have you tried any of them?
Knowing others’ results is only an external reference point. Still have to customize your own experience, imo.
Personally, I think this is the ultimate answer when going outside of the recommendations:
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Exactly.
This is also my experience.
Adding to:
Yes, I got a ton of results on a 2-week washout phase. Like CRAZY results.
For me, it definitely seems less is more. Just curious if there are other experiences like this.
I am very sensitive to subliminal stimuli, so the “brute” method many are running here is not for me. I cannot even listen to Ultimas without being lethargic all day haha
This is where
is so important.
The listening recommendations are JUST THAT. RECOMMENDATIONS.
If you have personally different effects, go with that.
Still, always curious about internal testing, but I don’t think this is supposed to be shared publicly?
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Good to hear. I’m looking forward to my own washout period in the next couple weeks.
Maybe we should hype up processing / integration time and washout periods more so newer folks (like me) won’t become susceptible to the FOMO of the I-must-run-all-the-loops-and-subs-possible paradigm 
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If you want that effect, run it as one of the 3 major titles.
Also, we have to remember that even long term programming goes away if we stop listening to it for a while.
Another way of looking at the difference in using Ultima as a Major or Booster is that a Major affects your mind directly but a Booster boosts your stack and is a support (this is not an exact description but a way to help you understand).
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wait what? i thought long term programming 6+ months stays in your submind unless you chnage your behaviour?
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No dude. It’s like weight-lifting. You will remain muscular for a while after 6 months of going to the gym but it needs maintenance. Maybe less trips to the gym after that time period but you still need the occasional exercise.
I used to overdo listening a lot when Qv2 came out. And then I took breaks and it fixed it ofc, but then I fell back into overlistening from time to time. So the same patterns came back all the time, from one extreme to another.
This week I have been doing exactly according to the recommendations. And it works like a charm. I managed last week to overload myself like crazy, I had tense jaw muscle and foggy brain for like 5 days.
But this time instead of doing a small washout, I just transitioned into the recommended listning pattern from that recon heavy state. It’s been interesting to watch the symptons go slowly down to settle into a sweet spot from listening and not trying to do it from a break from subs.
It mitigates the loss of aversion bias you get from abstining, or you’ll be the child with wide big puppy eyes in a candy store on a saturday. Eat everything now or you get tooth decay they said! But it doesn’t work like that with subliminals lol 
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wow bro never knew that, gonna stick to subs all my life so it doesnt matter that much
but i think however with enoug exposure and time its defnitly permnant, cause thats the sub-concious job
you never learn to walk again, its automatic now. you wont forget how to walk after all those years
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Well you will built good habits if you stick to subs for a while but SaintSovereign had mentioned before that using subs can be compared to weightlifting.
Especially since you are constantly bombarded with messages to your subconcious from outside. So it is good to run subs for life.
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So this thread contradicts the answers in your other thread: Do foundations last? - #8 by Budewr
What are you gonna do now Budewr? 
IMO (!) while subs might be LIKE weightlifting, it doesn’t mean they are EXACTLY like it.
Especially with QV2 going REALLY deep changing core beliefs I don’t think they are easily undone. And if you change your lifestyle towards the new sub, I.e. living like an Emperor for a year and building an empire, even if you stop listening you will still have that mindset due to the reinforcement loop.
It’s LIKE stopping to go to the gym, but now you have a tough labor job, so your muscles stay.
So as always, the actions you take towards the sub CONSCIOUSLY are very important.
The issue really is that people switch subs constantly and wait for magic to happen just from listening. Then the effects wear off. But if you take actions towards the goals of your sub and reshape your life, your subconscious beliefs will stay, regardless of if you keep listening or not.
But maybe I am wrong.
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its a new prespctive ive been seeing 
This should be emphasized more. I am of the opinion that the technology is approaching such a state that a lot of classic analogies aren’t as accurate as they used to be.
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Thank you for the comments!
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