PLEASE READ: Fire vs. Saint Round 2

[anon1637736]

@Parsifal

If the subconscious prioritizes resolving a particular issue that GM can address, but SB cannot, this would provide a clear explanation for the difference.

Sounds like what WB and SB is doing to me without the foundation building
About GM I have not enough experience with it
I did move to Wanted and Stark for now but I just want to be clear for the record:
Persisting with WB and SB might work anyway after few cycles but it would be probably less fun

With GM I hope it does work… but yeah few users are not happy with this title as I understand
I do have GM in a custom but for now I put it aside because it’s Wanted + DRR time

@Parsifal

The primary point Fire was addressing (in another thread) is that Black Label/Artisanal titles generally take longer to show results because their objectives are more advanced and complex. He also emphasized the importance of having a solid foundation before using them, which is why he recommended starting with Wanted and Stark before attempting WB or SB.

BTW for the record
My first title from SubClub was RotNW and with good results! using it for 2 weeks and = sex with a new girl…
And KB is another one I’ve used which is a great title as well…
So… not sure what to say about it

[Parsifal]

The key is that if you lack a proper foundation, subliminals take longer to produce the desired effects. With a solid foundation, however, you can achieve excellent results with WB or SB right from the beginning. Without it, more time is required.

When I first ran Emperor as my initial title, I didn’t achieve the results I wanted after four months. The missing piece was the foundation. While Emperor did provide great improvements in resilience, it didn’t deliver what I was specifically seeking.

Ascension, on the other hand, produced the results I had hoped for from Emperor within the first week. With its narrower focus, it gave my subconscious fewer priorities to choose from, allowing it to deliver results immediately.

The beauty of the original Wanted and Stark is that they provide immediate, tangible results while simultaneously building the foundation for their Black Label counterparts. For example, if you were to run Wanted and Stark for nine months, followed by three months of WB and SB, you might achieve the same level of results after a year as you would from running WB and SB alone for twelve months. However, the journey would be far more enjoyable, as you’d experience consistent and rewarding progress throughout.

[anon1637736]

@Parsifal

Ascension, on the other hand, produced the results I had hoped for from Emperor within the first week. With its narrower focus, it gave my subconscious fewer priorities to choose from, allowing it to deliver results immediately.

I want to jump on that title once it is updated
For how long did you use it

Thanks

@Parsifal

However, the journey would be far more enjoyable, as you’d experience consistent and rewarding progress throughout.

Exactly why I’m turning back to them
Stark had a very cool positive vibes I love it
SB is dominant but didn’t feel the positivity
And I know what Wanted is going to bring in few days lol many stares!

[Fire]

@emperor_obewan

Frankly, this post is not helpful, and may cause me to experiment with the old technology more at the same time as ZP.

The Q tech worked when it came out, it did not magically cease to be effective when Qv2 came out, or when ZP and then ZP2 etc came out. I still count my results from Emperor Q and some of the QV2 stuff as some of the most profound of my four years. People only need to go back through the forum to see peoples results using the old RICH Ultima or Solace mask. Those were real, tangible results. And the recon was a clear sign of change being worked, usually recon of a form relevant to the sub.

I don’t think that demonizing the claims of people who think the old tech still has power is useful, if anything it will cause people to wonder why their objective comparison of experiences is being dismissed, and lead to conspiratorial thinking. I’m all for making results more obvious on the new tech, but lets cut the bull excrement about the old tech being primitive. It just simply wasn’t and isn’t the case.

Did I say the previous technology levels were ineffective or primitive?

Did I demonize people’s previous results?

I’d still pit our old technologies against pretty much any other subliminal producer - and we’d likely win.

However, there is a concrete line of improvement with every subsequent era of technology, and some rare individuals keep trying to go back even after all the data, reports and results from other forum members say otherwise.

As I explained previously, the reasons for it are simple.

As for experimenting with Q and ZP at the same time, you are free to do so, but be aware that combining ZP with Q is strongly not recommended. There is too much clashing and will lead to wildly unpredictable effects. You do so at your own full responsibility.

[Fire]

@JCDenton

If it is not the tech level that is responsible for that, it must be each title’s individual scripting and approach that finds the right angle to work with my subconscious mind?

This. You answered it yourself.

[Azriel]

I think its the right unique combination of what an individual in a moment of time needs for growth

ROS causes huge financial results for me as well.

By far the strongest subjective results I had were Pre-Q Emperor
instant change in who I was and how I conducted my life.

But in terms of overall growth and results
ZP by far. I get intense subjective experiences still.

In terms of NSE my overall metric financial results were even pre-NSE and post. Same with synergy vs. focus. I see pros and cons to both - I do think it overall causes more internal growth and less recon as the tech evolves.

[Saiyan4Blue]

Ok yall lets celebrate the new drops and keep this thread focused on its main objective :^) How many stacks will survive tonight’s drops especially with the new secret title/upgrade

[SaintSovereign]

@JCDenton

If it is not the tech level that is responsible for that, it must be each title’s individual scripting and approach that finds the right angle to work with my subconscious mind?
Still a mystery to me…

Like @Fire said, you answered your own questions. And this is why we have so many wealth titles that follows different archetypes. Global company, global perspective. You can tell which one you should run not through FOMO and just grabbing everything, but by analyzing your emotional response to the copy and objectives. What “calls” to you? Which copy evokes an exciting feeling of exploration and discovery? If none of the wealth titles stands out in that manner, are you sure wealth is even your biggest goal? Perhaps spirituality?

For example – ASBR does not call to me. Nouveau RICH, EoG and RoW does. Nouveau because of it’s focus on innovation and disruption, new EOG because (well, you’ll see) and RoW because it fits with my natural personality of heightened pattern recognition and an ability to take high level, elusive concepts and express them in a practical manner. You’ll never see me running ASBR for long periods of time, unless you’re talking about RenMan Stage 4.

What titles – if any – actually cause that excitement for you? Perhaps a wealth stack isn’t even what you need?

@emperor_obewan

I just think the trend to discount/dismiss the old tech is counter-productive. Sometimes real, honest to God recon and more in your face can be useful.

I agree with you. But I assure you, that’s not what we’re doing. I’ll try to explain this in a way you and others who are into comparative philosophies can appreciate, and I think this is similar to what you’re thinking but maybe not expressing in an accessible manner.

If Q tech was yang, then ZP tech is yin. And ZPU is yin yang. Q was aggressive. ZP is nurturing. ZPU is united. And Q tech was introduced into ZP awhile back. It’s still not recommended to mix. Just ask @AlexanderGraves .

[Uber_Elysium]

@Saiyan4Blue

How many stacks will survive tonight’s drops especially with the new secret title/upgrade

If its Stark, Wanted OG, Ascension or GLM. My stack will probably get revamped lol

[Moon]

Question: Are you keeping to 15min for ZPU?

[Azriel]

@SaintSovereign

If Q tech was yang, then ZP tech is yin. And ZPU is yin yang. Q was aggressive. ZP is nurturing. ZPU is united. And Q tech was introduced into ZP awhile back.

this makes SOO much intuitive sense. ZP has been so nurturing and growing from withYin.

[Saiyan4Blue]

@SaintSovereign

If Q tech was yang, then ZP tech is yin. And ZPU is yin yang. Q was aggressive. ZP is nurturing. ZPU is united.

[WinglissStark]

Was RoW the surprise drop?

[SwedishBuddha]

nope that would have been a badly hidden surprise XD

[Parsifal]

No. It was announced. As is EoG.
As is… the surprise drop

[SwedishBuddha]

Is ZPU all the updated titles or did that come before?

The yin yang make so much sense

[emperor_obewan]

@SaintSovereign

If Q tech was yang, then ZP tech is yin. And ZPU is yin yang. Q was aggressive. ZP is nurturing. ZPU is united.

If that’s the case, ZPU can’t come soon enough. A little of that aggressiveness and open yang obviousness is necessary I think. Stops me from feeling too coddled, sometimes you just wanna say to ZP:

‘Scuse me, miss, I don’t mean to sound like a jerk
But I’m feelin’ just a little stressed out from work
Could you punch me in the stomach and pull my hair?
Spit on me? Maybe gouge my eyes out? (Yeah)

(To quote Eminem)

[WinglissStark]

Do we know when EoG and the surprise drop, drops ( sorry had to)?

[Parsifal]

During the next couple of hours. I think when I wake up tomorrow, they’ll be there.

[Starman]

@SwedishBuddha

Is ZPU all the updated titles, or did that come before?

ZPU will be the next version of ZP. A union of the best elements of the techs. Combining their strengths without introducing weakness (we hope) (:

The current updates are to introduce NSE to titles without it and to power up to ZP max. Along with other new script discoveries or approaches Saint and Fire have.