Sure I can.
And I can do that without discounting the fact of results from ZP2.
I just think the trend to discount/dismiss the old tech is counter-productive. Sometimes real, honest to God recon and more in your face can be useful.
Well they also cannot promote it as they discontinue old tech from website
Your explanation makes sense to me.
Therefore I try to use objective metrics in order to measure my results with the different titles. That is additionally, to my journaling of anything that I notice in terms of personal changes.
For example with romance titles, the metric is the amount of women blatantly flirting with me and sexually throwing themselves at me. Because this either objectively happens, or it doesn’t. Or how many women I approach and what comes objectively out of it.
With wealth titles, the metric is how much money I have compared to before and how much money came in from unexpected sources or as a result of me putting in additional work. This too, cannot be faked. I either have more money or I don’t.
Or in other words, I always try to use objective metrics outside of my subjective perception as the ultimate measurement for results. Results that cannot be “waved away due to coincidence”.
Still, some titles (independent of tech level) produce very different results.
For example almost no wealth results with G:M, but big wealth results with ASBR and RICH.
I wonder why that would be the case?
If it is not the tech level that is responsible for that, it must be each title’s individual scripting and approach that finds the right angle to work with my subconscious mind?
Still a mystery to me…
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The primary point Fire was addressing (in another thread) is that Black Label/Artisanal titles generally take longer to show results because their objectives are more advanced and complex. He also emphasized the importance of having a solid foundation before using them, which is why he recommended starting with Wanted and Stark before attempting WB or SB.
Furthermore, his intention was never to undermine the effectiveness of the older technology—it clearly worked, or Sub Club wouldn’t exist today. Rather, his point was to address the recurring claims by some veteran users that the older tech is superior. Given that Sub Club has access to far more data than just the journals we see—spanning threads and support cases—it stands to reason that they wouldn’t invest in creating new formats and reworking all titles without substantial evidence that the new technology outperforms the old.
It’s important to remember that just because the new technology is superior doesn’t mean the old wasn’t effective. For instance, owning a Nokia 3210 was a significant technological advantage when no other phones were available. However, while it was highly effective for its time, that doesn’t negate the fact that a modern iPhone or Samsung Galaxy S24 is far more advanced—albeit with its own challenges that the Nokia never faced.
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I would speculate that GM addresses deeper, underlying issues first—ones that may not directly result in increased income but are foundational in nature. If the subconscious prioritizes resolving a particular issue that GM can address, but SB cannot, this would provide a clear explanation for the difference.
The Revelation of Wealth has arrived. What will you do once you can see everything?
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Sounds like what WB and SB is doing to me without the foundation building
About GM I have not enough experience with it
I did move to Wanted and Stark for now but I just want to be clear for the record:
Persisting with WB and SB might work anyway after few cycles but it would be probably less fun
With GM I hope it does work… but yeah few users are not happy with this title as I understand
I do have GM in a custom but for now I put it aside because it’s Wanted + DRR time
BTW for the record
My first title from SubClub was RotNW and with good results! using it for 2 weeks and = sex with a new girl…
And KB is another one I’ve used which is a great title as well…
So… not sure what to say about it
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The key is that if you lack a proper foundation, subliminals take longer to produce the desired effects. With a solid foundation, however, you can achieve excellent results with WB or SB right from the beginning. Without it, more time is required.
When I first ran Emperor as my initial title, I didn’t achieve the results I wanted after four months. The missing piece was the foundation. While Emperor did provide great improvements in resilience, it didn’t deliver what I was specifically seeking.
Ascension, on the other hand, produced the results I had hoped for from Emperor within the first week. With its narrower focus, it gave my subconscious fewer priorities to choose from, allowing it to deliver results immediately.
The beauty of the original Wanted and Stark is that they provide immediate, tangible results while simultaneously building the foundation for their Black Label counterparts. For example, if you were to run Wanted and Stark for nine months, followed by three months of WB and SB, you might achieve the same level of results after a year as you would from running WB and SB alone for twelve months. However, the journey would be far more enjoyable, as you’d experience consistent and rewarding progress throughout.
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I want to jump on that title once it is updated
For how long did you use it
Thanks 
Exactly why I’m turning back to them
Stark had a very cool positive vibes I love it
SB is dominant but didn’t feel the positivity
And I know what Wanted is going to bring in few days lol many stares!
Did I say the previous technology levels were ineffective or primitive?
Did I demonize people’s previous results?
I’d still pit our old technologies against pretty much any other subliminal producer - and we’d likely win.
However, there is a concrete line of improvement with every subsequent era of technology, and some rare individuals keep trying to go back even after all the data, reports and results from other forum members say otherwise.
As I explained previously, the reasons for it are simple.
As for experimenting with Q and ZP at the same time, you are free to do so, but be aware that combining ZP with Q is strongly not recommended. There is too much clashing and will lead to wildly unpredictable effects. You do so at your own full responsibility.
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This. You answered it yourself. 
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I think its the right unique combination of what an individual in a moment of time needs for growth
ROS causes huge financial results for me as well.
By far the strongest subjective results I had were Pre-Q Emperor
instant change in who I was and how I conducted my life.
But in terms of overall growth and results
ZP by far. I get intense subjective experiences still.
In terms of NSE my overall metric financial results were even pre-NSE and post. Same with synergy vs. focus. I see pros and cons to both - I do think it overall causes more internal growth and less recon as the tech evolves.
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Ok yall lets celebrate the new drops and keep this thread focused on its main objective :^) How many stacks will survive tonight’s drops especially with the new secret title/upgrade
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Like @Fire said, you answered your own questions. And this is why we have so many wealth titles that follows different archetypes. Global company, global perspective. You can tell which one you should run not through FOMO and just grabbing everything, but by analyzing your emotional response to the copy and objectives. What “calls” to you? Which copy evokes an exciting feeling of exploration and discovery? If none of the wealth titles stands out in that manner, are you sure wealth is even your biggest goal? Perhaps spirituality?
For example – ASBR does not call to me. Nouveau RICH, EoG and RoW does. Nouveau because of it’s focus on innovation and disruption, new EOG because (well, you’ll see) and RoW because it fits with my natural personality of heightened pattern recognition and an ability to take high level, elusive concepts and express them in a practical manner. You’ll never see me running ASBR for long periods of time, unless you’re talking about RenMan Stage 4.
What titles – if any – actually cause that excitement for you? Perhaps a wealth stack isn’t even what you need?
I agree with you. But I assure you, that’s not what we’re doing. I’ll try to explain this in a way you and others who are into comparative philosophies can appreciate, and I think this is similar to what you’re thinking but maybe not expressing in an accessible manner.
If Q tech was yang, then ZP tech is yin. And ZPU is yin yang. Q was aggressive. ZP is nurturing. ZPU is united. And Q tech was introduced into ZP awhile back. It’s still not recommended to mix. Just ask @AlexanderGraves .
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If its Stark, Wanted OG, Ascension or GLM. My stack will probably get revamped lol
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Question: Are you keeping to 15min for ZPU?
this makes SOO much intuitive sense. ZP has been so nurturing and growing from withYin.
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Was RoW the surprise drop?
nope that would have been a badly hidden surprise XD
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