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[SaintSovereign]

@Goldfinger

For me, what I’d like to see in the New Mind’s Eye is a better sense of control over visualization, allowing yourself to visualize and also allowing yourself to stop the visualization.

I had to limit ME to 30s loops, using it just as a booster. If I try to include it in my stack, I keep falling into daydreams and visualizations. I can pick any sensory information (sound, taste, sensation, etc) and just escalate it into a full blown story. It happens automatically, very fast, too easily and I get sucked into it, like a superpower I can’t control.

The issue is that everyone has different forms of “visualization,” and I don’t if it’s possible to change that, it enhance it.

What’s strange is that I’ve had colleagues report that their visualization has changed as they’ve gotten older, studied new things, changed their perspective on life, etc. And oddly enough, I’ve experienced this myself. I can no longer “project” an image into the space around me. I used to be able to project the image of an apple, for example, into my hand. Could taste it, smell it, etc.

What it has changed into is hard to explain because I don’t even understand it myself. I used to project sales funnels, ideas, plans and stuff against an empty wall to dissect and analyze it. Now the visualization is more of, the setting of an intention of something I need to do, then I just wait and the answer comes to me, along with the reasons any everything I need to know. It is almost like an intuitive knowing.

Has anyone else experienced this? And I’m not referring to just sub use (though I did notice this way of thinking emerging after KB + Qigong).

That being said, I’m not the only one who has noticed this and because we all visualize differently, the script needs to reflect that and instead enhance your unique abilities, even if it changes naturally over time.

[RockyHandsome]

Love to see a script. in it that amplifies neuron repair in the brain.

[SaintSovereign]

@RockyHandsome

Love to see a script. in it that amplifies neuron repair in the brain.

This is in Limitless. Unfortunately, there’s no way to really test or confirm this, and because of the nature of the scripting, it has to be very light.

[Fractal_Explorer]

This sounds like you might have been using an auxiliary cognitive function to perform the visualizations and navigate life. But as you’ve uncovered more of yourself you’ve tapped into your dominant cognitive function that has more innate power due to it being closer to your natural way of cognition. Sounds like internal intuition which I think is generally frowned upon and discouraged as a way of thinking in society since you don’t always have the tangible evidence to back it up.

I like the theory of cognitive functions. I don’t know how accurate it is but it seems like how you process the world would heavily influence what you gravitate to in terms of visualizing.

All speculation but I’m not aware of any research on cognitive functions and visualizing preferences. And it’s not to say you can’t visualize a certain way given practice, but I think it never compares to what’s most innate to you.

Did you cultivate that visualizing ability or was it always there throughout your life? Or like any major life situations that would cause you to take on something opposite of who you are during that time?

[Joa23]

@SaintSovereign

Limitless: Mind’s Eye

I would love to see included the enhancement of the ability to create clear internal visual representations of the information gathered by the other senses (Mainly auditory and Kinesthetic) and the Propioceptive System.

If I listen to a sound, to “visually” understand its location and distance.
If I touch something or someone to be able to accurately “visualize” information about the object/person (Location, position, tension, movement, etc).
I think that should be really useful for massage, fighting, love making, healing, etc.

[Phoermes]

@Jouissance

With mind’s eye, please address the “aphantasia” conversation in one way or another.

Does minds eye work for people who believe they have aphantasia by helping them learn to visualize? Or does it help them use other faculties to accomplish the same outcome a different way?

Of course, for people who only THINK they have aphantasia, I’m sure ME will prove them wrong.

I went into details about this in this thread:

Has anyone with aphantasia tried Mind’s Eye? How did it go?

Have been training with a bunch of aphantasia exercises, brain training, and neural pathway building on and off for a few years now, to minimal results but results nonetheless. So I can’t say there’s no hope for me but the amount of effort was not worth the minimal results. Curious to hear experiences with this sub from people that also have aphantasia

It definetly helps with aphantasia; more so on ZP than ever before. I still remember exactly that moment when ME was converted from Qv2 to ZP; where I was; what was before me and my very environment. Something I shouldn’t have been able to do, nor imagined myself that I will one day be able to.

I won’t claim that it went from complete cavern like darkness to an 8K video; it started with simple things like visualizing the wall behind me after yanking my eyes off of it. My point is that practice is imperical. I still have a long way to go, but just today I made new progress that I am very happy about.

[Risky]

Perhaps it’s so ingrained it has become second nature, cutting the middleman and just giving the result of the calculation. Feeling like instinct and intuition.

[Phoermes]

Once again, two amazing titles before us. Round 2 will be a definite tie for me, just like round 1.

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@SaintSovereign

You probably already addressed this. However; would you please include safety scripting like in RoD? I would sometimes get immersed in what I see and would experience some fear or hesitation. I am certain that that is a reflection of something else but nonetheless.

[SaintSovereign]

@Fractal_Explorer

Did you cultivate that visualizing ability or was it always there throughout your life? Or like any major life situations that would cause you to take on something opposite of who you are during that time?

It was always there. As a child, I thought everyone could do it. I do agree though that it feels like an intermediate step from idea to execution is now being skipped or is no longer necessary. Rather than ideation via visualization to analysis, to execution, it’s now just visualization to execution. Again, hard to explain.

I even notice that when writing lyrics, I’ll start with the theme of the song and a basic idea, and then just write it all the way through. Before, I would have to write a line here or there, then build around those.

But looking back at my offline journals, I can definitively say that this started around KB. My current theory is that KB’s cleansing of the energetic system (plus daily Qigong) is unlocking scripting from the past that I really wanted to express but couldn’t fit whatever reason.

[SaintSovereign]

@Phoermes

You probably already addressed this. However; would you please include safety scripting like in RoD? I would sometimes get immersed in what I see and would experience some fear or hesitation. I am certain that that is a reflection of something else but nonetheless.

There is scripting there that covers this, but we can definitely (and most certainly will) amp it up a bit.

[SaintSovereign]

@Risky

Perhaps it’s so ingrained it has become second nature, cutting the middleman and just giving the result of the calculation. Feeling like instinct and intuition.

I have considered this as well. Knowledge + experience = wisdom, and now I have such a body of inner wisdom to pull from (compared to before) that it’s easier to simply act.

[Kingarthur256]

Hey bro, are you on KBC solo?
Just watching your social behavior, since I am thinking of running it.

[HyperMan]

I don’t know if the following feature is already included in the current Mind’s Eye but I would like to see something in the new script to make the visualization process like a fun exciting game to be played whenever you want. I still struggle with boredom during my visualization practice.

[Dancing_Octopus]

Will there be scripting that helps prevent maladaptive daydreaming? Even though I have aphantasia this used to be a real issue for me.

I’d love if ME would be very stackable so it is easy to combo with whatever titles it is stacked with. And intuition enhancing stuff would be great with this too! I’m really excited to see the direction this will go!

Edit: forgot to say the other title looks great too! Will this one be suitable for beginners? I knoe the origional is for advanced sub users. I just started meditation and qi gong a few months ago, would love to see something that can help my healing meditations.

[ksub]

@Dancing_Octopus

Will there be scripting that helps prevent maladaptive daydreaming?

I strongly second and support this request!

[TheGreenMan]

Scripting for immersion in LME would be great.

The focus on optical visualisation (not sure how to word it better. Sounds weird.) often implies a bit of distance between oneself and the imagined object, especially when you view it from every angle. Other senses imply direct contact (tactil, taste) or closeness (smell). It could be interesting as a path for manifestation (not just seeing a scenery, but being part of it with more than one/all senses). It could include the real world, e. g. focussing on a certain smell or sound, making it the dominant impression, and letting it tint the whole scenery. (Not sure if this is out of scope.)

@SaintSovereign

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EDIT: Reflecting on it… it could also fit into Alchemist: Singularity. Mh.

[Acer]

Limitless, Mind’s Eye.

[Fusion]

@SaintSovereign Two things that would be cool for Mind’s Eye.

1. Ability to have a fully immersive experience on a sensory and emotional level. So if someone were visualizing themselves surfing, snowboarding or doing some kind of sport, you can “feel” your body moving in space or at least be aware of it.

2. Intuitive guidance when presented with choices in day-to-day life that would bring users closer to whatever vision they have.

3. Greater insight/ability to see beneath the surface of things. So with problem solving you can visualize it, cut through the fluff and see what the real challenges/bottlenecks are.

4. Being able to have a deep focused/single minded level of concentration at will. So when visualizing if someone has an untrained mind they don’t end up having to battle a gaggle of intrusive thoughts.

5. Ability to visualize in 3-D with eyes open. So if I focused and consciously wanted to I can project say…math formulas against a wall and clearly manipulate them. Or “see” what the house looks like painted bright pink or lime green. Strange request and not sure how many would find it useful but figured I’d toss it out there.

[Lion]

@TheGreenMan

LME

We might have to keep calling it ME to avoid confusion with Lineage: Mandate Eternal.

[Starman]

Yes, and I keep reading ME as Male Enhancement