Possibly.
We’re about to go all in on scripting and upgrades, which unfortunately means it’s less likely that we’ll make more music tracks for now (since I started working on these way back during the Renaissance Man: Vibes tests and finished them now and we wanna focus on the tech almost exclusively). But please be patient, everything we’re doing is worth the wait. I’ve already claimed Mind’s Eye and have some big ambitions with this one.
The intention is that they would stack exceptionally well, since thematically, they go well together.
I see , ALL THE TIME, mature kings in their 50s pull young 20 somethings that younger men in their 20s could only dream of. Maturity, calmness, status and experience is a turn on for more women than you think.
Damn, decisions, decisions…guess im buying both lol.
Ahhhhh…. Dope titles… I like what I use now… usually Wanted/Black & Khan. But I’m over forty though so nice options!
Stack Primal Romance with Wanted Black and watch your romantic partners swoon. These two will stack together incredibly well, bringing a “magic carpet ride (Aladdin)” feel to your presence. They’ll be left wondering “who IS this person,” and why do they have so much depth? Distant, yet present. Firm, yet possessing such a deep sense of romance that every moment becomes something to remember.
“I wanna climb to the heights of Everest with this man because as long as I’m with him, I’ll never fall.”
And then just like that, he’s distant again, but “I’ll find him and I’ll make him mine because there’s nothing quite like being around him.”
EDIT: Watch her friends ask if she’s being gamed or seduced and listen to her tell them, “he doesn’t even have to ‘seduce’ me, because if he wants me, he has me.”
And yes, I am hyping my own submission because I am acutely aware that as of right now, I’m probably “losing” this round, rofl.
But, if the customers are happy, it’s a win regardless of the favored title.
Thanks for the hype.
For now however, both titles appear completely redundant to me.
KHAN and ASBR seem to already be covering all the mentioned points of “Emperor Daddy”. So I see nothing yet as to what makes it really different or why anyone would want to run it.
And Primal Romance seems be redundant because we already have Sex & Seduction X, Primal and PS, hence I also see nothing new here so far.
This is just my personal perception and I am sharing it because I love it when Sub Club comes up with the new products, but also I am not a fan of products where I see nothing really new that it would justify a whole new product as then it seems to be better to simply update an existing product instead.
Why am I not a fan of too many separate similar products?
Because the more similar products there are, the more difficult it is to understand the actual differences (especially for new customers), the more difficult it becomes to build one’s stack and then also to stay with the chosen stack for longer.
I am speaking purely from my own subjective perspective here.
Many similar products cause confusion and FOMO for me.
When I do research for finding my optimum stack, I always have to build my own comparison spread sheets of the various titles. Because if I don’t, there is always major misunderstandings of what the different titles do, and FOMO that I am now commiting to a stack for the long-term while not being sure whether I have actually picked the best titles for the stack’s goals.
I think there should be less similar products and instead of making even more similar products I think it would be better to just put more content into the existing ones (i.e. upgrade existing titles).
I believe that PN and RotNW should be one single title.
And so should Divine Diamond, Diamond and Sex Mastery X2 be one title.
SSX should go into PS.
Emperor should go into Executive.
Ascension should go into KHAN or Godlike Masculinity.
GLM:Commander should go into Godlike Masculinity.
Chosen should go into ASBR and Stark.
Emperor Will to Power should go into KHAN.
True Social should go into Daredevil.
RICH Crypto should go into RICH and EoG.
RoM and RoS, HERO Origins, Alchemist and Sage Immortal should go into one title because they are all about the same thing in the end – spiritual development.
As Above & So Below should go into KHAN Black.
Etc.
Less titles, but titles that cover all possible cases for its goal.
So that there is less confusion, less FOMO about other titles, easier stack planning and stack building, easier to stick for a chosen stack longterm etc.
Just wanted to share my general feedback, since the two new hyped products trigger zero desire in me to consider or buy them, because why would I want to buy something that existing products can already do better? Hope this explanation of my perception makes sense somehow…
Maybe now you can test out WB. Doubt you would any time soon though because of work.
Insert meme about shutting up and taking my money 
I mean this is round 1, you haven’t even seen what else they’re cooking up
This is mostly not related to “Round 1” but as a general feedback of why I personally think there are already too many similar existing titles (and the challenges it creates for me).
What if a person wants to simply have good sex without there being a spiritual element involved (Divine Diamond vs. the rest)? What if someone wants to focus on the skill of sex without the heightened pleasure (Diamond vs. SMX)?
KHAN and GLM are hard alphas – hard to run at times, hard to utilize. What if someone just wants to heighten their sense of inner resilience and focus on their career (Ascension vs. Khan & GLM)?
Chosen contains very little innovation scripting and focuses on positive leadership that extends even outside of the career. What if someone doesn’t want to pursue fame, or making a product that “puts their name in lights” around the world (ASBR vs. Chosen and Stark)?
What if someone just wants a better social life without the “adventure seeking” and “story telling” side of Daredevil?
What if someone wants to manifest money without being bombarded with scripting about trading crypto (RICH Crypto vs. RICH and EoG)?
What if someone wants to go deep into their wealth goals without having to deal with scripting related to crypto?
Where to even start? HERO Origins is about intense self-mastery via virtue and practice. What if someone doesn’t want the virtue scripting?
If you are being exposed to scripting that you have no interest in whatsoever, you will trigger recon, since you won’t be taking any action toward those goals, and thus, from our perspective, these “kitchensink” kind of titles would actually generate less results than if we have similar, yet thematically different titles that fits exactly what the person needs.
How do we know? We tried this already with the ZP Primer. The first version of Zero Point had a “primer” that had basic scripting from almost every angle one could take. The end result? First, more recon. Second, that recon wasn’t even from the subliminal’s core scripting – it was from the primer. We know this because we know what’s in the primer and the things people were complaining about was primer scripting, not the actual title.
With Zero Point, the more tightly focused the scripting, the better the results. Just ask anyone who made a “kitchensink” style custom and let them tell you about their results. All the people you see getting incredible results: @Invictus , @Plutus , @Sub.Zero , @Jouissance , @bombayduck , etc. you’ll see something in common between all of them – their customs and stacks are extremely focused in a manner where they can directly take action every day. You rarely see them complaining about recon, and even when they do, they almost always simply work through it… by taking action.
So, while I understand what you’re saying (I’m actually very reluctant to add new SKUs to the product catalog and if we weren’t engaging in this Fire vs. Saint creative exercise, we’d just upgrade everything) the fact remains that as of yet, no subliminal producer (including us) has managed to create one-size fits all types of titles.
Rather than engaging in FOMO, train yourself to focus and enjoy the titles you have and the results you’re getting. There’s no person here who experiences more FOMO than myself. I mean, my God, I just saw someone (I think it was @Azriel ) report that they made a whopping $400k last year, up from $22k after focusing on wealth titles. While our company is successful, I assure you that my annual salary is NOWHERE near that, so I have to sit here and make all these titles and just watch everyone else run EoG for years and make half a million dollars, rofl.
The thing is, we’re about long-term sustainability and progress. Which requires intense focus and being able to see the bigger picture, and dig deeper into the various archetypes the different products conveys.
Primal Seduction and Primal Romance are two vastly different titles, but under the same theme – a sort of intense “primal” connection between two sexually attracted individuals. You simply cannot put both in the same title, it just wouldn’t work the way you think. Seduction is seduction. Romance – well, that’s something quite different. They overlap, but they are not the same. Seduction is that draw to one another that that you feel in that space between the legs, that overrides the normal functioning of the logical side of the human brain, that just draws you into a moment where losing control and having that release just feels good and amazing.
Romance, however, stems from the heart. It’s that moment where two people are connecting on a deeper level, drawn to each other to unite as one, where the chance of deep love – a sensation that no one can quite explain, only that it seems to arise from somewhere deep within (rather than the nuts). Both will most certainly lead to sex. But romance will end with the two people holding each other tight, creating almost a shield against the negative influences of the world, because as long as you have each other, you will prevail.
And well, Primal Nights is just some good, hard “nail 'em to the bed” kinda sex that everyone needs now and again. Maybe it’s just because you’ve been stressed out to no end and you just need a good poppin’ of the balls against some smooth skin.
But to conflate PN with something like Primal Romance is a bit misguided – if I may say. Although, I can see the argument for RotNW to be included in PN (@Fire let’s discuss).
Regardless, your opinion and feedback is greatly appreciated and we will consider what’s been said for future titles in the season.
@SaintSovereign @Fire I was going to ask a question and completely forgot what it was. Oh well
I’m curious, how specifically are there too many similar titles?
This. Is. Awesome. lol. Adding that to my vocabulary.
Both titles seem like a great combo for mature men who don’t only want to live their life on their terms but also have their romance life flourish.
That’s great news for those of us who enjoy the “spiritual” part of connecting with women more than the carnal pleasures like myself. On top of that, I’ve met lots of women who craved more for that “spiritual” part much more than sex. Who has not? I would love it if there was a feature facilitating having multiple relationships of that “spiritual” kind that would be based on love without attachment for both parties.
Yes, I did and I’m still waiting for Primal Romance. However, there’s some work that I need to get done on SSX, anyhow, so it looks like Primal Romance will be waiting for me. We’re going to see. At some point I may replace WB and SSX with PR and LotS. It doesn’t matter so much since I know what I want and I’m heading there. It’s only a matter of choosing the best tools for the job. For now it’s WB and SSX.
This:
SSX’s scripting is an excellent “opener” to what’s most essential in WB ->Sex and Seduction. It will help me capitalize on running WB even more. It’s as simple as that. The scalpel method.
@SaintSovereign One of the titles I’m personally awaiting upgrade for is Sex Mastery. Will Primal Romance and/or Emperor Daddy cover aspects of that?