No major programs, only ultimas

Questions and Comments
#1

Hi!

I have been listening to Emperor and Primal Seduction for a few months now. A while ago I added Sanguine to the mix and it was the one that I felt the most. I was (and still am) feeling pretty optimistic about everything.

When Executive came as a free version, I decided to try it too. And again the same as Sanguine, extremely powerful. Now I was very productive and optimistic. The most productive and focused I’ve ever been actually.

With that great results, I’ve decided to drop the two major programs (Emperor and PS) and add another Ultima, True Social. And again, in 2 days I saw amazing results. I have a lot of anxiety problems in social situations, now I’m feeling pretty relaxed e talkative.

Now I’m thinking of adding PCC as well.

Maybe it’s just Ultima that is more powerful than Q, but does anyone recommend only using superchargers/stack modules? Or the major programs are really important to add?

Also is any of the major programs moving to Ultima? Or it’s just for superchargers/stack modules?

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#2

You can use any Utlima as a major program and yes, they’re planning to put Utlima into the major programs.

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#3

none of the current major programs will be used to converted to Ultima currently because the major programs scripts are too long to be consistently effective in Ultima format. For example Ultima scripts may be 10 pages while something like Emperor could be 100+pages. Stark is a major program that has a test Ultima program you can get if you purchase the Stark program. Some people get little from it and others find it great. So an example of inconsistency of a major program in that format.

It seems you can use Ultima as a major program though and they will create deep change the same as a major program. And it also seems like new titles will be coming out as major programs in Ultima format

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#4

Well, it really depends on where your life is currently at… do you have a functional business that generates income? Good, now get Emperor and take it to the next level. Do you have no income stream at all? Go for Ascended Mogul, to begin with.

If you choose to go for Emperor while you have major unconscious beliefs against that degree of success, which is mostly the case if it is not already present in your life, then it is a wise decision to build a foundation and go from there. So it’s more of how does your external life look like in regards to a certain script and how much reconciliation would that create?

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#5

Thank you for clarification and sorry for the mistake. I thought it was about converting the major programs to Ultima format not about creating new titles.

#6

for sure, you totally got it, I was just expanding on what you were saying.

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#7

I lost my main source of income due to Covid but I’m very drawn to Emperor, and sadly not very entreprenurial. Would going straight to EQ without AM be a bad idea?

#8

I think AM would be better.

Emperor seems to work better if you have a steady income , regardless of whether you are an employee or have your own business.

If you have your own business which is not making money, AM is also better.

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#9

Now when I’m thinking about it more thoroughly I would be careful with that statement about Stark since even on Terminus and on Q the results differ a lot depending on the user.

#10

I agree with @King, use Ascended Mogul until you’ve built a steady income and monetary foundations for yourself, afterwards you can move into Emperor to take everything to another level.

Ascended Mogul will make you aware of your talents and skills and bring out ideas to monetize them.

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#11

Why run Ascended Mogul while Emperor contains its script and much more?

And Yes, EMPEROR ALSO Contains the ENTIRE Scripts of Ascension, Mogul and Sex Mastery X, and “Quantum Limitless Lite.”

I’m not criticizing just asking out of curiosity.

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#12

Why did you consider doing AM before moving to EQ?

#13

Based on several journals and advice, AM seems to have fewer scripts, which might be better for those starting out with SC.

I’m gambling on my previous experience with YT subs, hopefully this experience would be enough for me to handle a dense stack like EQ.

With that said, I am certain I will stay with EQ for several months as my main after the healing. I just know it will be like an itch that I had to scratch if I do not purchase it.

Hopefully I can add a stack to make EQ more affable, welcoming and charming.

#14

I see. So if it AM is less dense it means, in theory, the results should show up earlier and the risk of reconciliation is lower.

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#15

Because the Emperor script does not align with @Gerald’s current reality as opposed to the Ascended Mogul script. This is also the reason why he is seemingly not getting results, compared to others who’ve succeeded amazingly well on Emperor.

Do you learn to walk before running? Yes. Do you become a Prins before you become King? Yes.

Sure Ascended Mogul is in Emperor but it is aligned towards the goals of an Emperor. Sure, Emperor it dense but that’s not the reason I advised him to go with Ascended Mogul. Besides Emperor is a lone-wolf so depending on his goals he might want to get Ascended Mogul combined with something like Sex & Seduction, Daredevil or Primal, etc.

A Custom is probably his best bet.

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#16

Sorry, but I was no talking to Gerald but @Apollo and it was him whom you advised on running AM. I didn’t claim you suggested AM because of its density which is lesser than Emperor’s either just pointed out the fact Emperor contains the whole script of AM and much more and I asked why you suggested AM before doing Emperor.

#17

I assume that Hermit is recommending AM because that they think the intended user is starting at such a low level that E would not offer any “easy wins” in a short time frame.

#18

Yeah, it’s interesting how some people judge whether you’re a prince who can run or a king who can fly basing on a couple of words besides Geralt didn’t mention EmperorQ didn’t work for him and on top of that he said he had used it for five months. I think our friend was pretty tired when he wrote about his kings.

I understand your point of view @remarkable and it makes sense to me too.

#19

Ascended Mogul is more targeted so may mean faster new income streams, and it will have the Ascension and Mogul aspects of the Empire Script hit faster and in a more streamline direction. I think it has more to do with imminent goals than level of development.

In an ideal world given enough time, it’s always stronger to add base elements first and inculcate their scripting in identity and lifestyle before moving up the ladder to more complex subs that integrate multiple subs. That said, I did not do this and am doing great, however I believe I would have benefited from it in retrospect.

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#20

Azriel appears to have done a lot of inner work and foundation building before he started with Subclub subliminals.

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