New Main Idea Thread - Revelation of Spirit Upgrade

Simple, reductionistic lateralization may be a myth. But the metaphor of hemispheric lateralization goes far beyond this. And there’s much more to be said about it.

I’m definitely due for an update on this topic.

But here is one place to begin that jibes with and affirms what Alphabeast is pointing to in that very relevant post.

I’m aware that lateralization is often oversimplified. At present, I take it as a very useful scientistic metaphor that helps to, at the very least, shine light upon a kind of ‘lateralization of values and ways of being’ in the world. That lateralization is quite observable and well-established; even if its purported neural correlates might not be.

(and now back to our show.)

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Thanks for sharing the study. I wasn’t aware of that one. And I also agree that this distinction shouldn’t be applied to the whole person. I am actually more concerned with the functions of specific brain regions, such as the hippocampus, where the left side focuses on verbal and logical memory and the right side, for example, on spatial and visual memory. So certain brain regions or parts of the nervous system (e.g. Sympathetic) are simply overloaded in modern humans.

Actually, you’re probably right that the distinction doesn’t mean much, especially since neuroplasticity would have to be taken into account as well. I think my perspective is quite unique after all.

And thanks for your post. It reminded me once again that it’s okay for me to question my own ideas/beliefs sometimes.

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No disagreement there. I probably should’ve made it clearer that I agree completely with your idea of people leaning too heavily in one or the other direction. Similar to what @Malkuth brought up in regards to representing the values we can clearly see (The Master and His Emissary being a book I was actually pretty intrigued by when I was younger). I think it does its job well as a metaphor for two seemingly conflicting philosophies. I’m not a neuroscientist, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see an imbalance in the activity of specific brain regions emerging from relying too heavily on one.

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Agreed, and while there are a lot of great pie in the sky suggestions I’ve seen in this thread that probably won’t happen, just having those updated technologies will probably make a major difference to people’s results. Especially ZPU’s improved flow and the lessons learned writing ER. Simplicity is probably key here, we’re not looking to create X-Men or metahumans :laughing:

But I still like the idea of applying ZONE’s flow state lessons to the practice of inward looking in the process of seeking the revelation :alien:

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A very important thing that should come with the ability to perceive more, should be the ability to anchor ourselves in the reality we’re in, to distinguish where we are in time space.

I say this because, I know a woman who perceive many parallel realities, but this made it hard to function in society because she’d mistake one for another and so would claim things that aren’t real in this reality and might even seem outrageous.

She is able to perceive and interact with the zodiac signs, as well as perceive and interact with spirits from birth and this ability caused her a lot of grief, from spirits sometimes being aggressive or outrageous, or she feeling like she can’t say no to the zodiac signs. She was very afraid of them as a child.

So yes seeing more, hearing more, opening ourselves more is important, but it must come with many many security features.

If one open themselves more just to end up possessed this’d be terrible.
Though I don’t doubt there are securities in place already.
Just, there is a need for either protection, or the strength necessary to overcome whatever comes.
A need for discernment and remaining fully conscious of anything that happens, where it comes from and why.

I kinda want this too be able to take me further down the path of the elephant in buddhism and have a pure awakening.

I’m not talking about people that call themself woke or awakened like legit lineage awakening.

Though I assume this sub is not going to be just one path.

But I really want to see from this is the everything is empty yet full realization. Divinity itself is everywhere even in the mundane.

And the path to post dualism, Where separation is not a thing.

You are everywhere and here at the same time etc.

Honestly, Not sure if this is a good idea though, As the spiritual path can lead to psychosis if done wrong.

Like when spirtual teacher teach super advanced practices on youtube, Which legit make the person lose it.

So let’s simplify it, See the divinity and love in everything even the mundane.

That should be safe enough :slight_smile:

Oh and grounding as reaching nibbana is not the final step.

Then it’s to bring your own heaven on earth to your individual self.

So maybe what it should aim to do is bring your own soul path to you, And get you closer to the origin of your soul.

Yea i don’t even know what im writing.

This one is gonna be a interesting one to develop for sure.

I can’t even fathom how you would script revelation of spirit XD

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From an East Asian perspective, enhancing your “spiritual life” and cultivating your “spirit” is often less about seeking a transcendent deity outside yourself, and more about an inward quest — a path of embodying and verifying the mind-nature in the midst of everyday life. The intertwined traditions of Confucianism, Buddhism, and Daoism, along with practices deeply embedded in the culture like the Way of Tea, flower arranging, and calligraphy, offer a highly practical “technology for spiritual cultivation.”

Below, I’ll try to translate this heritage into pathways you can apply in modern life.

I. A Core Reframing: Clarifying “Spirit” in the East Asian Context

In East Asian culture, your “spirit” is not a soul separate from the body, but more akin to these concepts:

  • Xin-xing (心性, Mind-Nature) — In Confucianism: the innate moral awareness and the substance of pure knowing (liangzhi).
  • Shen (神, Spirit) — In Daoism: the intrinsic vitality, lucid awareness, and empty stillness within life.
  • Zi-xing (自性, Self-Nature) — In Buddhism: the original face untouched by afflictions and delusions.

Therefore, “progressing your spirit” actually means:

  1. Purifying — shedding excessive material desires, scattered thoughts, and emotional entanglements.
  2. Awakening — maintaining clear awareness of life, relationships, and nature.
  3. Expanding — integrating inner benevolence, peace, and wisdom into your lived experience.

II. Daily Practices: Six Concrete Paths You Can Walk

These paths don’t require retreating to the mountains; they are embedded in your life right now.

1. Establish a Daily Practice of “Abiding in Stillness”: Restoring the Natural Order of the Spirit
The cornerstone of East Asian cultivation is stillness. A restless mind is like muddy water; when you let it settle, the sediment sinks naturally and the source becomes clear on its own.

  • Confucian Daily Practice: Quiet Sitting or Sitting Upright. It doesn’t require a special form. Just set aside 15 minutes every morning or before bed, without following trains of thought, simply “sitting silently and clarifying the mind,” sensing the original state of your heart-mind. Wang Yangming said, “Beginners must practice quiet sitting so that the monkey-mind and horse-thoughts can be tethered and settled.” This isn’t dead sitting; it’s giving yourself a “spiritual anchor.”
  • Daoist Practice: Returning the Light and Guarding the Center. Gently draw your attention back inside your body and observe your breath. Not through forceful control, but with an attitude of “neither forgetting nor forcing,” you sense the subtle, living movement of vital energy (qi), gathering your dissipated energy back inward.

2. Nourish the Spirit through “Li” (Ritual Propriety): Settling the Mind in Daily Form
East Asian thought holds that the spirit is not only elevated through ideas but also shaped through the discipline of the body and behavior.

  • Transform Chores into Walking Meditation: When making tea, listen carefully to the sound of water boiling, feel the temperature of the teapot, observe the unfurling of the leaves. When eating, put down your phone and taste every mouthful, sensing its origin. This is what the Doctrine of the Mean means by “The Way cannot be departed from for even an instant.”
  • Sweeping and Attending Are All Cultivation: When tidying your room or writing notes, hold an attitude of “reverence” (jing). As the outer space becomes orderly and your movements unhurried, your inner spirit immediately feels a sense of stability and dignity. This is “sincerity formed within, manifesting in form without.”

3. Break Through the Small Self Through the “Spirit of Mountains and Waters” and Seasonal Change
East Asian aesthetics and spirituality are deeply bound to nature. When your spirit feels withered, walk into a garden, the wilderness, or just look at the sky.

  • Investigating Things to Extend Knowing (Gewu Zhizhi): Look at the veins of a leaf without labeling it with knowledge, or observe the resilience of bamboo in the wind. This is not scientific analysis, but a direct encounter, feeling the boundless “great virtue of Heaven and Earth” — the ceaseless, creative vitality. Your anxiety will be comforted and diluted within this infinite living process.
  • Resonating with the 24 Solar Terms: Adjust your diet and daily rhythm according to the solar terms, sensing that you are part of the great transformation, not an isolated individual. This sense of connection, “forming a triad with Heaven and Earth,” is deep spiritual nourishment.

4. Practice “Vigilance in Solitude” and “Inner Reflection”: The Solidity of Forging a Moral Subject
Western spirituality often emphasizes “love”; East Asian Confucianism emphasizes “benevolence” (ren) and “sincerity” (cheng). A profound spiritual life comes from becoming a whole, authentic person, inside and out.

  • Keep a “Ledger of Merits and Demerits” or a Reflection Journal: Before sleep, review the day’s thoughts and actions. Not to judge yourself harshly, but to see clearly: “Just now I felt jealous,” “I just gave rise to a kind thought.” This clear self-awareness (self-illumination of pure knowing) itself dissolves internal shadow-energy, making the spirit open, upright, and luminous.
  • Make the Will Sincere and Rectify the Mind: When alone, hold to your principles as if someone were watching. Not out of fear, but because when you are “the same in public and private,” your spirit no longer needs to wear a mask or struggle internally, and gains immense freedom and strength.

5. Reach the Way Through “Art”: Using a Craft as Meditation
Calligraphy, painting, guqin, flower arranging, and incense ceremony are not just talents; they are East Asian forms of “stillness in motion.”

  • Channel Your Full Attention Through One Art: Choose an art that requires deep focus and practice it long-term. When writing calligraphy, the brush becomes an extension of your spirit. When arranging flowers, you learn about attachment and letting go through deciding where each stem stays or is removed. Heart, hand, and object unify completely; self and object are both forgotten. That is the deepest spiritual immersion and purification.

6. Undertake Cultivation Within Relationships: Refining Yourself in the Midst of Human Affairs and Emotions
This is Confucianism’s most precious spiritual path — not avoiding relationships, but cultivating within family and work.

  • In the entanglements of family affection, observe the rising and falling of emotions, seeing each conflict as an opportunity to recognize the attachments of the small self.
  • In the workplace, “respect your work and enjoy your community.” Doing your work to the utmost is itself a form of spiritual offering. Transcend the narrowness of the self within your responsibilities, and feel the expansiveness of lives mutually completing each other.

III. In a Nutshell: Restoring the Heart of Heaven and Earth

If I had to summarize the East Asian secret to enhancing spiritual life in one phrase, it would be: “Subtracting” is more important than “adding.”

It’s not about frantically acquiring more mystical experiences or knowledge, but rather, through the threefold practice of Stillness (Jing), Reverence (Jing), and Purity (Jing) , layer by layer peeling away the dust that obscures your original heart-mind — excessive desires, stubborn emotions, fragmented information. The heart that can sense beauty, be filled with benevolence, and stand unmoved in the face of shifting winds and clouds, will naturally reveal itself and become your inexhaustible spiritual source.

You might begin this very night. Put down your phone, light some incense or simply sit in stillness, and breathe softly, attentively. Your spiritual journey has already, in this single moment of awareness “returning to the present,” quietly advanced.

(Above from East Asian ideas)

It’s probably worth reminding people of the current copy, here.

Core ideas already in the original RoS:

  • The interconnectedness of all things
  • Empathy scripting and becoming a better communicator as a result
  • The art of patience
  • Emotional control
  • Removal of arbitrary societal and mental limitations
  • Evolving towards expressing your true self to the world (interesting prelude to E:R!)
  • Cultivation of mercy, kindness, and other virtues
  • “Spiritual alchemy” in the sense of recognizing opportunities in everyday life to elevate self and others to higher levels of consciousness.
  • Elements from Sage Immortal for manifestation of mentors and information to assist your growth.
  • Appreciation of beauty, attitude of exploration, attitude of gratitude for existing
  • Deep absorption/understanding of “micro-lessons” and other insights
  • and probably a bunch of other things I missed.

Also probably worth mentioning the distinction between RoS, the Hero line (which includes the Craft as meditation ideas mentioned above as a primary focus in Origins), and the Alchemist line (which already contains many products to address different aspects of walking a spiritual path, as opposed the more revelatory and path of discovery based Revelation series).

So a question worth asking when figuring out what features to suggest might be: how does this feature aid in the process of discovery of self and the world around you (and beyond) as it relates to this concept of spirit, and the various concepts that surround it?

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I agree!

wu-wei; doing without doing; or perhaps someone else can better explain this concept

Pineal gland opening (what ever that process might be)

seeing the unseen world (metaphorically and literally)

Seeing the true causes (yes, I’m intentionally keeping this vague)

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well there are aspects to it that could be somewhat similar to wu-wei; what I was thinking of though has been touched on by some masters in traditions derived from Sikhism though (Surat Shabd yoga and similar ones) and discussed i depth by Valentin Tomberg. It’s more like applying the play of a child to meditative techniques, or cultivating love/gratitude and deep attention towards the process and what you’re focusing on, rather than straining or using force. Actionless action/wu wei is a different thing, although both involve making something which ordinarily takes effort and strain seem effortless, by aligning choices to action or non-action with the flow of the universe. Both concepts could benefit from the lessons learned writing Limitless: ZONE, and applying them to aligning with the user’s conception of spirit both inside and outside. Outside = wu-wei, inside = deep meditation / skywalking. I think another key point if I was to try and point at how something like what I was thinking might be scripted is giving the user the insight that they can lessen/loosen the influence of the mind in controlling the outcome and let Will / spirit / soul drive the bus. I’m sure with RV you’ve probably encountered the difference between looking with the eyes of the mind vs the eyes of spirit.

Some good ideas there, me personally I’ve been trying to avoid making suggestions that could turn RoS into another Alchemist product, since the Revelation series and the concept of unfolding/discovery is so different from a skills based title, as is I’d imagine the writing of it. Hence my last post in here trying to remind of how the OG program worked.

One way I guess skill-based or (non) physical shifting could be applied to a Revelation title like RoS would be, to use your pineal example, this idea of exploring the potentialities of the pineal (or more likely some name like “eye of the spirit”, since calling the pineal the third eye is a more modern concept that may or may not hold validity), diving deep within it, exploring the limitless potential of the unfoldment of its relationship with the self, etc. Using “the eye of the spirit” to peer deep within the world and see the spirit buried within that gives objects their continued existence. Exploring forming relationships between your own self/spirit and that in other things, “living” and “non-living”. And so on. That way the uniqueness of the product line can be maintained without making it overlap with the other Alchemist line products.

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Synchronicity Perception scripting :slight_smile: I like it!

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This is dope as fuck! “Unification” style scripting, seeing the divine and love in everything (including oneself)

Interesting to see how this idea, and some others in the thread, bump up against Daoism, which is the foundation of the new Chosen Way of Nature. Will be cool to see how these two subs (ROS & CWON) differentiate when they launch

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see auras

This is also fantastic, and something I struggle with that I would love to see in a new RoS

When is an energy, emotion, or thought we are carrying sourced from within our own ego/pain, versus the ego/pain of another that’s been projected onto us, versus a genuine intuition arising from a more “pristine” depth?

And how can we learn to make that distinction?

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Not everyone is on board with those concepts, either. So we’d need to chunk up even further I think. (further/farther? I can never remember which is the right word)

Yes this sounds like a useful innovation to the existing patience scripting:

To aid you in this journey, the scripting not only helps you cultivate patience but also helps you comprehend the “micro-lessons” that you encounter along the way. This understanding accelerates your progress as you don’t need to step back and re-evaluate things repeatedly. The scripting will help you avoid seeking instant gratification and instead focus on deeply absorbing the lessons that come your way.

(from the copy)

I think the difficulty with a lot of the suggestions I’ve seen is that the subs that SubClub produces are meant to be not oriented towards a particular faith or belief system, which means a lot of ideas such as seeing auras or talking to your “higher self” are interesting but require some refinement to make them workable, if they are workable. So with auras, you could maybe speak about making the movement of spirit more tangible and obvious, that kind of stuff, but directly referencing auras is going to be a no-no as it will lessen the potential audience or scare people of more traditional faiths away. I imagine this is why @SaintSovereign has had such a difficult time figuring out how to innovate the existing script. There are definitely ways to rephrase concepts like these into non faith specific language (I’ve been reading some myself that crosses religious boundaries, some of the Hindu masters especially and some esoteric Christians have been fabulous at establishing this type of inter-faith language), but it’s not easy.

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I actually have a Wu Wei title in the vault that has been tested and could be soft launched. EDIT: Like, soft launched easily. It’s just been sitting there, since we don’t seem to have a lot of demand for this title. But, I’ve used it multiple times. It’s interesting.

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one of my favorite concepts - what a wild productivity title that could be! lol!

Excited to see your concept and take on it!

I find myself a little bit unable to totally utilize ZONE as a lot of what I do for my main work is actually about organizing, making as few decisions as possible, and making them very good. In seduction, I’ve gone 100% “pursued” and initiate with women by being there and creating literally so little initiation energy that they fill the gap (initiate without initiating, act without acting)

So what’s the odds I can do a private/public test of the title? :slight_smile: replace ZONE with it

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Let me talk with @Fire when he gets in. We could do a semi-public test if there’s enough people wanting to take part. It’s a great title, but we’re reluctant to add more SKUs (people are already complaining that there are “too many titles”), and it was most likely going to be gutted for tech and placed into other titles. But, if people can benefit from it, we’ll release it.

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haters gonna hate that’s the cost of being legendary

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