Need advice for a friend who is not getting results

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#1

I have recommended a friend SC subliminals and he bought a few ZP titles.
At first he only ran 1 title every second day. He got this feeling of happiness during the listening so I guess the subconsciousness could understand the message but afterwards he did not feel anything positive or negative coming from the subliminal. he also did not experience any dreams or perceptional shift.

He later on increased the subs to 2 loops per day and then later on after he did not feel anything he even did 3 loops on one day and the next day 6 loops. After he told me this I was sure that he would end up in really bad recon but absolutely nothing happened.

I told him to dial it back anyway even if he is not getting any recon.

is he a hardgainer even though he is experiencing euphoria during listening? the support article says that if you experience euphoria you are not a hardgainer. but how is it possible that he is not experiencing any recon if he is not a hardgainer?

He says he is not feeling any positive results but they can be so subtle that he does not even realize it (as we all know). I just wish he would get some recon so he could get some proof that something is happening.

can he continue listening to several loops per day or should he use the hardgainer protocol?

Day 1: Limitless ZP x1
Day 2: Chosen ZP x1
Day 3: Wanted ZP x1
Day 4: Limitless ZP x1
Day 5: Chosen ZP x 1

@DarkPhilosopher I think you also got the “problem” that you can listen as much as you want without getting any recon?

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#2

How long has he been using it?

It seems to me that everything is fine. Some have less resistance to new belief patterns than others. I don’t know if recon can be used to gauge how effectively it’s changing the subconscious mind. I don’t get significant recon from listening either, nothing that I can for sure attribute to the subliminals. That said I have a lot of experience with all sorts of personal growth tools which has led me to realize I’m not sensitive to stimuli; however, it has not necessarily meant I do not get the same results.

So, why not have him continue as he does now and start a journal (private or public) to identify changes over time?

Euphoria can also be a sign of reconciliation, but a “happy” kind. I don’t like euphoria at all. I find it to be a very draining state and it has definitely occurred during some of my most philosophical moments which have affected my subconscious mind greatly.

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#3

Like you said, he is not a hard gainer as per the relevant article on the support site

Given that he does not appear to meet Subliminal Club’s definition of hard gainer he most likely should not use the hard gainer pattern and should instead use the appropriate standard listening pattern.

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#4

@SaintSovereign could you please clarify if you mean by this paragraph in the support article for hardgainers that “mild euphoria” appears during or after listening? because for my friend it appears during listening and not after listening. does “euphoria” during listening also mean that he is not a hardgainer?

and should he just use the standard protocol in this case that he is no hardgainer or can he listen to more since he is not experiencing recon?

If you experience mild euphoria or productivity, slight attraction from others, or some other very mild result, but in your eyes those results “could’ve happened without the subliminal,” you’re not a hard gainer.

#5

It’s probably best not to compare with a person.

That said, I do often experience elation and become energized when I’m exposed to a sub for the first time or after a long time.

If you’re not certain, I would go for the hard gainers protocol, since it’s a good listening pattern for normal gainers as well.

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#6

I don’t want to be the douche here , but I think these subs and don’t get me wrong I am using them frequently; they are too overloaded with scripts.

That is why I will order a custom ultima with 3 modules solely focused on manifestation.

I experienced sometimes huge results with just affirming sleight of mouth instructions out loud repeatedly.

What I would recommend is reading the Robert Dilts books and making affirmations with the shifting and Milton models about 150 words long.

@anon84605638 people who got verbally abused during their childhood are easier to manipulate and they have less resistance. I am talking about people that were forced to say yes just like me.

It’s become a defensive mechanism to agree with everything and then do whatever I want and acting as if I didn’t hear what was asked of me. But that agreeing made me receptive to my families bs projections and their beliefs have imprinted on me.

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#7

Tell your friend this :

  1. He messed up by deciding not follow the instructions. He can’t complain now.

  2. Subs are a marathon not a sprint.

  3. He very possibly stonewalled himself

  4. Tell him to drop the subs for a good month so he can process all that subliminal input that he crammed into his subconscious.

  5. After a good month long washout, he can come back to the subs. This time he needs to follow the instructions and not expect any miracle transformations after a few days. These things take time. Weeks, months or years. He is just doing himself a disservice by rushing through the process.

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