My fiances depression

My fiance has a severe depression (according to a test from our health insurance)

There are some factors/ causes that we know about.

  1. And most important no job/income but debts to pay. Leads to desperation and anxiety attacks especially in the morning when she’s waking up with palpitations.

  2. We’re living with my family atm because of our financial situation. Which means very limited privacy.

  3. As well as some clashes with my mom, who’s on dialysis and has her own challenges.

She’s mostly negative, no drive to do much because it seems all in vain or she’s to tired to do anything. She started applying for jobs but gets almost no answers not even rejections.

She’s applying mostly for her dream job (copywriting) where she has a big talent but limited experience. Other fields I propose, where it’s much easier to get a job like vendor in a clothing shop, she refuses, because she doesn’t have the energy to keep up with annoying customers.

I thought maybe Sanguine would be helpful, to brush away all the negativity without to much focus on healing. She’s running Ultimate Writer and LBfH atm.
I believe, that without the negativity, she could manage her live much better, get a proper job and the depression would recede.

Would love to hear your opinions/suggestions/ experiences

@AnswerGroup @Trader @Plutus @Sub.Zero @Lion

And anyone else I didn’t mention, feel free to comment.

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You haven’t mentioned if she’s currently getting any formal treatment or support (though you did mention health insurance, which suggests that you are both looking into it), but that’s the first thing that anyone is going to have to mention, so I’ll mention it here first.

In essence: explore and investigate the possibilities of getting professional help.

My own thoughts on this (at the moment).

Tricky things about being human:

  1. Our limitations (e.g., psychological, perceptual, emotional, cognitive, etc.,) are invisible. You can’t look at me and ‘see’ my memory capacity or directly observe my resilience and stress tolerance capacity. All you can see are whatever behaviors and expressions I, intentionally or unintentionally, display to you. Despite the fact that we cannot actually perceive our own and others’ objective limitations, we, nevertheless, often make some pretty confident assumptions and conclusions about them.
  1. Our limitations are not static; they are actually shifting, morphing, and changing all the time. So that even if you managed to have a clear and relatively accurate sense of what you or someone else can handle or can accomplish, over time that sense may no longer be the case.

These two points are important because when it comes to happiness, mental health, and wellbeing, one huge factor to deal with is our own expectations and assumptions about what we (or someone else) “should” be able to do or “should” be doing.

Most people who are experiencing depression will tell you that, not only do they need to deal with the primary depression, but, on top of that, they also need to deal with shame, anger, guilt, and so on about being depressed. These secondary burdens can become just as oppressive as the primary one.

(That is where self-compassion (a la Love Bomb for Humanity) comes in.)

Anyway, the point of a well-qualified professional is that (if all goes well) this person will be a bit more systematic, tentative, and well-informed when it comes to generating hypotheses about a person’s limitations, their needs, and their current capacity. This can lead to a more efficient and solid change plan (better goal-setting), as well as leading to identification and use of more situationally-appropriate strategies and methods of working with/working through the challenges.

Subs are always going to help with the secondary issues. My reactions to my reactions. For the primary processes of suffering? I think they can also help, but the degree of suffering, and the causes and contexts of suffering will make a big difference.

A man with one arm will get majorly strong using Spartan, but it’s not going to make the arm re-grow.

In addition to running subs, it’s important to have a frank and accurate assessment/evaluation of the person’s evolving situation. That’s where a (well-chosen) professional can make a difference.

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If I am in her shoes, I would run Paragon Complete along with Renaissance Man: Ultimate Writer X + Love Bomb for Humanity.

How long has she been running Love Bomb for Humanity? It should help with her anxiety. Unless her anxiety is too high and she needs to get professional help.

It’s a difficult situation and not something that’s easy to advice for. If she needs help making a career decision and having purpose in life, I would advice her to replace Ultimate Writer with Genesis. It will help her make major decisions for her own life.

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FYIO, she knows that I posted this, I even checked the text with her, if its fitting and accurate of of she would like to amend or change anything.

We’re both certified life-coaches and healed a lot lot of our traumas in the last 2 years.
One big underlying trauma that came to surface brought the depression along. We’re working on it. We even have some clues about the root causes (4 in number). We’re working on that too, but it’s a longer process (50% of the first step of the biggest issue, in two weeks).

Sadly not. It’s also quite impossible atm. When I was in my depression 8 years ago, I was on some waiting-lists, but they said it’s at least a year until they have a free slot. After corona, the situation is much worse. If we were able to pay from our own pocket, things would look differently, but then we wouldn’t need help in the first place.

I know that from my Burnout. The worst part were the accusations in my head for not being productive and not being able to pull my self together

Why a physical healing sub?

Around ten times

I wouldn’t think so. It’s mostly in the morning when she’s about to wake up. AFAIK not during the day. Sometimes during the night, ruining the sleep and recovery.

She knows what she wants and loves to do. Copywriting. She has an incredible talent. Acknowledged by many professionals. But since she’s lacking experience on the job she can’t get a foot in the door.

My biggest question is:
Would Sanguine help Brush Away Negativity?
The copy sounded pretty enticing to her.
The Depression in general we can conquer. I’m pretty sure about that. I only need much more time. And brushing away negativity would help immensely.

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Woops. I think I mixed up your mom’s issue in this. Sorry.

That’s very good.

I know this feeling. Sometimes I get it too.

Okay that’s good. Genesis also helps in getting the foot in the door. Nouveau RICH could also help with this.

Oh no question about that. Sanguine is great for helping us keep calm and stoic. Will brush negativity away. Go for it :+1:

@Parsifal : I was in exactly the same type of situation (maybe worse) when I started my Sub Club journey years ago. The three subs that pulled me out of it were: Ascended Mogul, Regeneration and Limit Destroyer.
That combo completely erased my years long anxiety as if it never existed. I do credit Ascended Mogul for most of the change though.

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@ksub Did you stack all 3 or did you start with one, then adding the others to it and what would be your approach if you had 12 months to rebuild?

@Kyuss : The very first stack was Ascended Mogul and Rebirth. It worked a bit too fast and too strong for me. I would wake up in the middle of the night with panic attacks. After a couple of weeks I dropped Rebirth and added Regeneration then Limit Destroyer. I ran that stack for 4 months. It completely erased my anxiety and depression. I should have run for longer because when I switched to Emperor, I was far from ready. At that time (4 years ago), Emperor was the flagship sub and a beast. I Emperor as my main sub for two years). It completely changed me as a person and changed my life. If there is one issue that I do not have, it’s switching subs too frequently. I identify my goals, I pick my subs and I put blinders on until I reach the goal to my satisfaction.

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@Kyuss: If I was starting my Sub Club journey today and I had to build my foundation, I would pick a good all around stack and stay with it for 12 months. That would be Emperor + LBFH + DR: LD or Ascended Mogul + LBFH + DR: LD.

I would run that for 12 months and completely disregard any other new sub that is released.

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The root of all 3 causes here is financial stress.

Plus she wants to be a copywriter.

Nouveau RICH

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She needs more experience and the solution is easy for now. Freelancing or start her own copywriting business (pretty easy if your saying she has big talent for it). Freelancing would be the better option tho as she can still make 6 figures with it and she could get customers like Hulu, Netflix, Nike as a freelancer.

Subs recommended for this are True Sell + Nouveau RICH or potentially Stark + Nouveau RICH. Other combos would work to essentially having one archetype sub + one enhancement sub.

Ultimate Writer is a great one as well. I’d remove LBfH and replace it with Nouveau RICH but that’s just my personal opinion as I don’t believe in “healing” instead I believe in healing threw experience which Nouveau RICH is all about.

Nouveau RICH is also good for drive and cognitive benefits so it will make it easier for her to focus on becoming a good copywriter with experience then she can go to corporate if she wants. Altough you can easily make good money as a freelancer and then make her own business if she desires.

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Sometimes physical health issues cause mental and emotional symptoms. Goes either way.

Paragon helped me with my anxiety and depression because it helped me get to the root of my hormones. I ended up taking a supplement which I continue to use long term.

Woman are more prone to thyroid issues and hormone imbalances these days.

Paragon, LBFH & Seductress would be fantastic.

Edit: or Genesis in place of LBFH.

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Per the sales copy, Sanguine Elixir stops negative thinking.

It also has a bit of LBFH in it as well.

I’ve been curious about it, but I’m on DR right now. SE is newer powerful technology, so I’m not mixing them.

Also, SE uses transmutation like Genesis has. It takes a lot of stress out of emotional healing.

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So as it seems, we’re going the way of Sanguine.
And as @Plutus proposed, probably adding NRICH to the game later on to get rid of the root cause: financial shortage

Only question that remains:

Sanguine or Sanguine: The Elexier ???

They both seem fantastic for our purpose.
I’m reading through all product discussions threads, but I’m still not sure which one is better.

Is Sanguine faster acting compared to SE since it’s focus is more narrow?

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In this case, Sanguine. Idk if focusing on healing in addition to LBFH is the way to go.
Maybe there is enough healing in LBFH for your fiancée at the moment.

And you have a stack with three subs, which is demanding not only for a beginner.
I would go slow and add Sanguine. Later, when your fiancée is feeling better, you can both decide which healing sub is the right one.

And more importantly, how your fiancée feels when she reads the descriptions. If she feels more drawn to SE than to Sanguine, then the decision is clear. She is listening and should decide which way is best for her. Intuition is also very important.

Good luck and I hope she gets over the depressive feeling soon.

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Subliminal use isn’t solution to a formal diagnosis of depression. The experience of reconciliation definitely isn’t conducive to this situation. She needs to find a qualified mental health professional to treat her needs. And unfortunately, we now have to close threads like these.

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