No I’m not going to ask if microloops are necessary. I’m running one thirty second loop every other day right now.
My question is. Is there a fundamental difference between someone who runs a thirty second loop vs someone who runs the entire fifteen minutes without any recon?
Is the person that can run the entire fifteen minutes more advanced or doesn’t it matter?
This is my personal experiences or feelings so please take it with a grain of salt. Throughout my sub journey I mostly did full loop. The reason for me was while shorter loop (e.g. 3 or 5mins; never tried microloop) worked faster/lighter, the results seemed to fade faster/not as deep; it was “easy come easy go”. However to best compensate running full loop, I found that I needed to take more rest days and longer washout to keep the recon at bay.
Each of us reacts differently to the length of loop, Fire mentioned that it’s up to us to find the sweet spot.
There are a lot of fundamental differences, IMO, too many to actually compare different users just by their listening time. Everyone is on their own journey. Someone who might run Limitless 15 minutes might struggle with LB for 30 sec. and vice versa, for a multitude of reasons.
Subs can help to change, to develop. And if the 30 seconds are enough for movement, for change, for hard work of the soul - that’s good. That’s where you wanna be.
Why is this full/microloop thing still so important? I understood before you were running microloops, as we talked about it, it feels totally counterintuitive. But after feeling that they work actually better?
Can you drop ur routine with full loops.
It’s not. I’m running microloops of thirty seconds. One every other day. I tried doing more time but the recon was crazy so I went back to the thirty seconds.
Maybe I’m just over thinking all of this and I don’t need to be concerned with anything other than my own progress. I apologize for wasting anyone’s time
That person who can tank the recon is indeed advanced. But i don’t think it matters in the long run. If you increase ur listening time little by little after each consecutive week. I think u will reach the same 15 min mark anyway with 1-2 cycles.
I started on 1 min, then 3 min rn. But hopping to 5 min was bit rough. So i will stay with 3 min now but eventually will rise to 5 min by 3rd week. Thats my strategy
I don’t know if you consider me “advanced” or not, but I never run more than three minutes of a title. I don’t think it’s about how “advanced” the person is, and rather how they respond to external stimulus. I’m kind of a stubborn hard ass, and if I can’t see an idea myself, I’ll mentally fight it tooth and nail… even if it’s my own script.
And producing products that others will use means that I can’t stay in a state of recon for long periods of times. So… I have two choices. Run microloops, or simply don’t do anything at all. Hence why I say I get jealous of those who can consistently run a single stack for long periods of time. 
Either way, in this case, “slow is smooth and smooth is strong” (reference to those who have trained in boxing).
Yep. This is the common response, including what I’ve observed.
No need to apologize, I just think you need to lean into the lessons you’re learning from Love Bomb. Who cares if someone else is more “advanced” or not? What does that even mean? Despite the fact that people think we’re sages and the such, we’re just normal guys with a particular talent for understanding the effects of language (since we studied it extensively). Outside of that talent, what would make us more “advanced” than anyone else?
What gives us that appearance of “being advanced” is more a willingness and openness to learn. When @emperor_obewan posts all these observations of Index Gate, believe it or not, I Googled every single reference to try to understand what he was referring to, so I could potentially incorporate it into new versions of Index Gate.
When people mention concepts and ideas, I research them with an open mind. Because of that willingness to learn (because that’s the only way my stubborn behind will believe something – I think very practically), we just learn a lot.
So, anyone can become “advanced.” It’s not like subliminal audio comes with some kind of hierarchy.
It was an actual not a rhetorical question.
I had an episode of anger and a following squabble with someone close over the weekend which I suspect was rooted in LB processing/recon revolving around what (I think) other people are expecting of me/why I (shouldn’t) give a shit. It reminded me of that. Letting go of this stuff is difficult, but on the other hand, everytime it comes up like this it is also the chance to do so very consciously.
I use a modified listening schedule，I call it “pressure on，pressure off”. I just split the cycle into two section….the first week is section one where I “pressure on” listen full 15 minutes…the following week is section two where I “pressure off” listen 3 minutes…this way I could have the benefits of both…
it is quite noticeable for me to see that shorter time usually will have more obvious immediate external results and longer time will lead to more profound and internal results…but the execution time show no difference……when I run 15 minutes，I could see the result kick in within an hour or two…whereas 3 minutes ，it would not necessarily execute faster than 15 minutes…at least this is my case…. 
…I dont consider either way more advance or begining…it is just different intensity for achieving different state…. 
Nah it happens to me too i overloaded with adding 30s to paragon and now im too scared to even add 5s thinkings it might overload me
How can you tell if you are overloaded in 30 seconds?
For me recon manifests as agitation or irritability
Oh ok. Maybe I am also facing recon haha.
How about starting with 10 seconds?
my heart cannot handle such statements.