There were a number of different factors.
- The first time that I felt a very clear and undeniable effect with a sub was when I played the original Terminus experimental program when it was first released. That was Stark Terminus back in May 2020.
I’ve never been the kind of person who is very relaxed, who falls asleep easily, enters altered states rapidly and smoothly, or is easily hypnotizable. So, I was not sure, but I was prepared to wait longer with my subs. I usually do not have immediate ‘roller coaster’ kinds of reactions or experiences. But when I played Stark Terminus I had a subjective sensation of it working.
Now the fact is, that may not have been completely due to Terminus. Might have been that the script itself was easily integratable for me. Extraverted Intuition is a prominent feature for me, and I’ve always used it a lot throughout life. So…
But either way, that was my first impression of a Terminus program. I played Stark Terminus and it was like, ‘Whoa…I can actually feel this being processed!’
I played it for 21 days straight (back in Q-build). Then the Mind’s Eye Terminus2 experimental sub was released on 24 May 2020. Based on the experience with Stark Terminus, I immediately started to experiment with Mind’s Eye Terminus2 too.
Remember back then? We’d play the subs every single day. hahaha. A different time.
In June 2020, the Q-Customs store opened up, and my first ever custom was Terminus build with Stark, Ecstasy of Gold, and Power Can Corrupt as the three Major Program cores.
From 22 June 2020 to 31 December 2020. I alternated those two programs during morning meditations, everyday with Sundays off (in line with the guidelines of that time).
My purpose of recounting that old history (besides the fact that I enjoy doing it) is to make the second point:
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I have not had notable discomfort/problems/symptoms that seemed to result from Terminus build programs. So I’ve always had a kind of fascination with them. I wasn’t sure what they were doing, or if my mind was working better with them, etc., but at least I knew that I was not having very negative effects from them. (With one possible qualification.)
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I have always built Terminus level customs. In May 2021 (when the Qv2 build was introduced), I made the more pricey choice to buy Standard and Terminus versions of my two customs. At the time, I was thinking: ‘Hmm…maybe I’m over-emphasizing Terminus customs. Let’s give Standard a try. Plus Qv2 is said to be a charging rhinoceros, so maybe I’ll ease back a little bit to be safe.’
So from May 2021 to April 2022, I was playing standard build programs. For about 6 months out of that time, I was just playing Dragon Reborn alone and nothing else.
But in May 2022, I built a Terminus custom with Dragon Reborn St. 4, and since then it’s been back to all Terminus/Terminus2 customs again.
I’ve been listening to Subliminal Club subs for 3.5 years. Of those 3.5 years, 2 years have been spent with Terminus/Terminus2 customs.
So, I guess the point here is I’m used to them.
- I consulted the Yi Jing.
Back in April 2022 when I was getting close to the end of the Year of Dragon Reborn, I was planning out the next phase of my journey. As I sometimes do, I consulted the Yi Jing to get some divinatory advice. It was clearly and strongly in support of working with Terminus2 programs.
Not only that, with almost odd specificity the advice I got was to play all three of them together. I’m open to experimentation, but I also like to color within the lines. So I wasn’t planning to deviate from the guidelines and play 3 subs in one sitting. But this time I chose to go with it.
The guidance that I got from the Yijing for this arrangement was extremely specific. It was the 53rd hexagram, Gradualness, and line 5.
The gist is: It’s going to take you a long time to see the results from this, but when they come, they will be perfect and unstoppable.
The specific poetic verse is: For three years the woman has no child. In the end, nothing can hinder her. Good fortune.
[in the original: 婦三歲不孕. 終莫之勝. 吉.]
I’m more patient than the average person, but that was a challenge even for me. But I said, “I’m in.”
So after all of that other stuff that I said above,
, this may have been the primary factor. haha. Yijing said, “Do it, fool.”
So, yeah, 3 Terminus2 customs.
I eased them in one at a time starting in August 2022. By October 1 2022, I was playing all 3 together. As always, during meditations. It’s a fun tradition.
Now, we’re just about 6 months in. And things are picking up. I’ve been noticing an upsurge in processing, in results, and in related phenomenological content.
I also noticed an upsurge when I upgraded them to ZP v2.
So, of course, I’m also looking forward to when we get that ZP v3 next year. haha.
But I won’t be surprised if, after my current plans successfully come to fruition, I switch over to Standard Programs. By then my focus may be on fun, fast results; rather than super-deep, personality-level and lifestyle-level transformation. I’d really like to try some of the more fun programs. Like Spartan and like the social titles. And especially like Ultimate Artist.
In contrast, I feel like right now, the subs are helping me with my Great Work. So, I’ll be patient and work with the deepest and most powerful versions.
Okay, well… That was a long-ass response.
If you’ve made it this far, here you go:

Thanks for the question.
I think it’s good to have it here on my journal as an organized snapshot and record of my thinking at this time.