Main Idea Thread: Heartsong

[Bull_of_Shiva_999]

@SaintSovereign

UPDATE: The development of Heartsong goes well. We are nearing completion.

I couldn’t find your exact post but i remember there was a talk about new 5 minute track that you listen once a week.

If possible could we test that on new Heartsong maybe? (maybe release alongside standart track for testing). @SaintSovereign

[SoulFire]

Main Disc. Thread - PEACE (Now Available! Custom Core Available!)

We have a prototype for a 5 minute loop, once or twice a week. No microloops necessary. Just listen and go. Not ready for production or testing yet. More of a proof-of-concept.

Main Disc. Thread - PEACE (Now Available! Custom Core Available!)

:: Shrug :: It was a proof-of-concept (can it even be done). We’ve got so many prototypes of things that were never used or shelved. This could be shelved as well. I’m interested in what is best for the customers, and that’s it. Ask me next year. Right now, people have been waiting for upgrades to their favorite titles. That’s all we’re focused on.

[Golgo13]

@SoulFire

Can someone familiar with reforged explain what reforged style means in the above sentence from saint?

I’m trying to understand what would the difference be with Love Bomb.

@SaintSovereign I’d also like to know the difference as I’m not familiar with Reforged?

Would the self love be better than Love Bomb and LBFH since it’s the latest title in the Heartsong series?

[emperor_obewan]

I’m not the expert here, but I did run Reforged quite a bit during the test and afterwards. The copy seems to give enough hints to get an idea, and I’m sure Saint can elaborate.

Basically the Reforged concept attempts to decouple the external concepts of authority, self worth, sovereignty and so on from reliance on external trappings, instead conceiving of them as emerging from within. There’s also a section to the copy called The Sovereign Lover:

Develops the integration of masculine sensuality, emotional availability, romance, and self-understanding. The goal is not seduction as performance. It is intimacy without self-abandonment, desire without neediness, warmth without weakness, and devotion without collapse.

In daily life, this may show as a man who can be tender because he is not fragile. He can be romantic because he is not performing romance for approval. He can desire without becoming owned by desire. He can love without handing away the throne inside himself.

Ditto for the Sovereign Pursuit section. There’s a lot in there that seems to touch on ideas that were being thrown about on this thread, so I imagine they made their way in there

But yeah, a big part of Reforged was removing the pressure to “perform”, and replacing it with authenticity. Removing the need for outside approval is probably a big part of it, however those core ideas happen to be refashioned in Heartsong’s image.

[heartmadeiron]

@SaintSovereign

Heartsong makes no promise about who you’ll meet or when. Whether or not you believe in soulmates, its focus stays the same: helping you feel more secure, open, and clear about the love you want to share

I like this. Feels like more practical and executable than the grand 'promise ’ of a soulmate

[WuWei]

I second @SoulFire and @Golgo13 on clearer difference on Reforged vs Love Bomb style.

Correct me if I’m wrong, my impression is that Heartsong: Reforged would be more self-worth and centered authenticity vs the emphasis on self-love and healing from Love Bomb.

[BlissAdventurer]

@WuWei

Heartsong: Reforged would be more self-worth and centered authenticity vs the emphasis on self-love and healing from Love Bomb.

I believe they are different. Love Bomb reveals and helps you to become self awareness, build self-love so that it spreads out from you. Whether you have a partner or not you feel inner love.

Heartsong: Reforged goes one more level, it builds your authority, joy and self-love with a partner “in mind” or to prepare for a relationship. From Reforged foundation, you hold your love-space for your partner to come and join the journey with Stage 2, Duet.

With Love Bomb, you love regardless of having a partner or not, this love spreads to everyone.

With New Heartsong, the self-love holds space and prepares for relationship, where 2 people together feel they can have deeper and more meaningful life together.

[WuWei]

Thanks!

[HeroicDragon]

I don’t know about a harem, however will this assist with having multiple close relationships or just 1?

[BlissAdventurer]

@SaintSovereign

That includes knowing when to keep exploring and when to part with clarity and respect.

@SaintSovereign

Please check and consider this late idea. Similar to romance bubble of PR and Dream Reality of WDB, can you have a holding space with love and full acceptance of the partner in relationship.

Everyone is beautiful as well as their flaws, holding space leaves nothing for projection, expectations and standards towards partner. From the holding space, you embrace acceptance and pure love of who he/she really is, like you look thru the physical, directly to his/her soul with outstanding astonishing of its beauty.

Your partner feels and sees your holding space where you love and accept their pros and cons as they are. They cannot help but feel peace, joy and self-acceptance of themselves from the space.

[Jouissance]

@HeroicDragon

don’t know about a harem, however will this assist with having multiple close relationships or just 1?

Sounds like it’s about the capacity for love in general, so I imagine this would help with deep connection, openness, finding people you resonate with and learning who best meets your need. Doesn’t sound like monogamy specific scripting at all

[SubliminalUser]

Do we expect HS to be a title that stacks well with WDB (and other WANTED titles) or outright be replacing them? From my current understanding, it would be stacked with any romantic archetype title—so that would include Emperor, Khan, etc.

[Forexpreneur]

@HeroicDragon

I don’t know about a harem

Are you sure? Harem Daddy is an upcoming title. Just kidding.

[HeroicDragon]

I’d buy it, but it’s more about having an inner circle (sisterhood not brotherhood) that i can be with, share a life with, etc… I’m wondering about stacking each cycle of Khan with it as well as Inner Circle. Stage 1 of Heart Song with the first 2 cycles of Khan then the second stage with the 3rd and 4th of Khan…

[JCDenton]

I like that there is now a Stage 1 for healing and preparing.

But too early to give any feedback on this short qOS summary as it seems to be missing a lot of points and great ideas that were made in this thread.

As I was reading this qOS summary, I became afraid that Stage 2 is not focussed enough on manifesting actual soulmates. But instead, too much focussed on standard dating and exploration of possibilities.

There are also several things in Stage 2, that at first glance to me, sound like this is going into a direction which I am not sold yet.

Here are my main concerns (and further down a collection of the ideas from this thread that I would actually love to see in Heartsong):

• “Creating Opportunities” sounds like default dating stuff in the sense of “build a business if you want to manifest money”.
  I think with the internet and social media there are more than enough pathes of manifestation to cover the whole planet.
  Your ideal match could simply stumble upon your Insta profile and you DM each other…
  I don’t want to go to some local meet ups in the hopes of meeting someone slightly compatible.
  This should be less a “build opportinities” title and more an actual “manifestation title”.
  And I want that matching check to be working 24/7 and at least on the whole planet. Not just on the opportunities that I create here and there.

• And just “compatible people” sounds like being very far away from an actual soulmates. Soulmates in the sense that they make my heart sing.
  Many people are compatible, but almost no one makes my heart sing.
  Huge difference.
  I think the focus should be on actual manifestation of people who make my heart sing. Not just “compatible” people.
  I want to manifest those few people from the whole planet who are the most ideal for me.
  Manifesting anyone lesser or wasting time on searching the needle in the hay, is not worthy of a title like this.
  Because there are a ton of compatible people on the planet.
  But I would not enter into a long term relationship with them.
  Ideal matches need to be much more than just “compatible people”.
  Therefore, this title should be focussed on actual soulmates, those very few souls on the planet that are ideal for you in all thinkable and unthinkable ways.
  Those who really make your heart sing.
  Not standard social stuff and standard dating activities etc.
  Let the universe figure out the how.
  Only focus on manifestation of heartsong-triggering soulmates as the end result.
  Nothing else.
  A Stage 2 that is focussed on “manifesting the perfect match against all odds”.

• Then there is this point, which I don’t like at all:

@SaintSovereign

From there, the focus is on discovering whether you can build something together.

@SaintSovereign

That includes knowing when to keep exploring and when to part with clarity and respect.

At this stage it is already too late.
Time wasted.
Wasted on regular dating stuff.
And for me, this goes completely against the concept of “manifesting a soulmate”.
It sounds like “dating”, not like “manifesting a soulmate”.

Reason:
When you meet someone who is a perfect match, you will already know the answer to all of these questions.
Because your subconscious minds would have brought you two together by “soulmate compatibility”, i.e. your subconscious minds already know whether you two can build something together or not!

“Dating” and “manifesting a soulmate” are two different things for me.
With dating you are exploring options. Maybe this, maybe that.
With “manifesting a soulmate” you are bringing into your life that which you already subconsciously know of as being perfectly matching.

“Dating” is a chance game and roulette.
“Manifesting your soulmate” is bringing the already existing main prize into your life.

Dating and exploring options with people and exploring compatbility is a time waste when focussing on manifesting one of the 50 most compatible people from the whole planet into your reality.

• Then this:

@SaintSovereign

Heartsong makes no promise about who you’ll meet or when.

Then this is not “Heart Song” for me, but "Meet a random person you might be compatible somehow, but you first need to invest or waste time in order to find out by how much you two might be compatible ".

If Heartsong is not aimed at manifesting a person that makes my heart sing, then why am I am even wasting time on the process?
Then I can just stay with a seduction title and enjoy a harem…

Of course, there are no guarantees and promises in life, but that statement reads like a full blown disclaimer saying “run the title but don’t hope to actually ever meet anyone that makes you heart sing at all”.

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And now, since I finally had the time to read through the whole thread, these are the ideas I liked the most and I hope that they will somehow make it into the final product:

@Akephalos

This is what i want to avoid. Wasting time and energy on a person thats not my idealized soulmate, i rather spend that time and energy building something with my soulmate.

This!
Therefore manifesting someone with maximum existing compatibility is the key.
If you first have to explore compatibility after meeting someone, then you are wasting time.

@MAkh

• you feel as if you’ve known each other before
• you feel like you are ‘coming home’ rather than going on a rollercoaster
• you complement each other (your weaknesses are there strengths and vice versa) but in a way that brings beautiful harmony to the household
• you push each other
• your partner grows with you

These are the kinds of things that would make my “heart sing” for someone

These are the qualities in a soulmate that my heart sing!

@cryo424

I’m hoping the new Heartsong can help the user cultivate and reinforce a stronger sense of individuality, freedom, and personal sovereignty within the context of a long term relationship. Where the user (and their partner) feel more fully themselves because of the relationship, rather than less themselves within it.

Really good point!

@Andythegreat

Abundance doesn’t mean you never commit. It means you commit from choice, not from fear.

Also.

@SubliminalUser

meet someone who can make our heart sing

If that is the definition of a “Soulmate” that resonates with most people, then I love it! Because everyone deep down knows what type of partner(s) will make their heart sing.

@Antares

Heaven on Earth

I am not willing to settle for anything less anymore.

Yes.
Again another point why wastig time on compatibility exploration is absolutely the wrong direction for this title (in my opinion).
Your soul, spirit and subconscious mind already know who on this planet you are the most compatible with.
Just let these aspects of yours do their work.
And do not interefere in the process with standard dating activities.

Maybe we need RoS scripting here, with focus on “Revelation of the most ideal partner for you across the whole planet”…

@cryo424

it seems imperative that their partner be willing and able to grow alongside them, if the relationship is to ultimately be successful in the long term.

This is key for longterm compatibility.

Especially for Sub Club users who are will spend their whole lives growing faster than most other people on the planet!

@driller

If you could rank every potential partner in the world purely by compatibility, the person ranked first—the most compatible person among everyone alive—could be considered your soulmate. By this definition, a soulmate isn’t mystical; it’s simply the person with whom you have the highest possible compatibility.

However, there may be thousands or even millions of highly compatible people in the world. Only a small fraction of them would actually add value to your life because of practical factors such as living nearby, being available, crossing paths with you, and having the opportunity to meet.

Now imagine using subliminals over a long period with the goal of finding the person ranked #1—the most compatible person possible. Perhaps that could take ten years. But reaching someone ranked between #50 and #1,000 might be achievable within a year.

The interesting part is that the actual difference in compatibility between the person ranked #1 and someone ranked #100,000 may be incredibly small—perhaps only 0.001%. Yet that tiny difference could theoretically require years of additional effort to achieve.

That is how I think about subliminals: not as something that magically creates a soulmate, but as a long-term optimization process that gradually increases the probability of encountering increasingly compatible partners.

Yes, this!
Your soul, spirit and subconscious mind already know who on this planet you are the most compatible with.
Just let them do their work.

@SaintSovereign

knowing what you actually need and how much of it you can supply yourself, saying what you want plainly and surviving the answer, seeing the person in front of you instead of the picture you brought, repairing after a fight, staying yourself inside a commitment.

This is perfect for Stage 1.

@Saiyan4Blue

I would love for the new HS to have some flexibility to work seamlessly with the Wanted line specifically WB.

@Saiyan4Blue

WB resonates most with me. I thrive on raw expression and intensity, but I equally value the magic of unhurried and quiet moments. I love the contrast between those poles

My hope is that the new HS stages can work through WB’s seemingly casual, reality-warping magnetism.

@Saiyan4Blue

In the WB narrative John Wingliss is that intense, enigmatic figure. But he meets Jessica Dark, his match and their fated encounter unlocks depths neither experienced before. That’s the dynamic I would like this flexibility to allow. John Wingliss gets to remain fully himself, without any dilution of his edge, but with just enough extra room for his Jessica Dark to exist in that same space

I would love for Heartsong to be compatible with WB.
Many users on this forum are running WB.
Therefore John Wingliss and Jessica Dark deserve to meet each other and become the ultimate power couple.

@SoulFire

Once the heart’s wounds have been healed and one’s inner system recalibrated and aligned to its own unique architecture, every relationship in one’s life becomes fulfilling, wether it is relating to other human beings, relating to one’s own food intake, relating to one’s own routines, everything becomes a manifestation of one’s desires.

Meeting an amazing partner becomes inevitable.

A lot of the suggestions I am seeing in this thread are coming from different kinds of wounding and looking for coping patterns in the sub instead of true inner work and perspective change.

I see a lot of people haven’t accepted the pain of loss as a natural part of life. You can’t control other people, change is universal law, nothing lasts forever.

Super important for Stage 1!

@MAkh

Intimacy requires safety: As a Jungian perspective on relationships notes, closeness creates a safe enough space for buried parts of the psyche to finally emerge and demand attention.

Absolutely key for Stage 1.
For example, at this point in my life, and knowing what I know about dating and gender psychology, it is very difficult for me to have trust in anyone beyond myself.

@Realitysmith

But maybe chemistry goes further than that. We should have chemistry with as many areas of our lives as possible. We should vibe with the gym we go to, yoga studio, our work/job, where we work, the people we hang out with, the music we listen to, the life path we’ve chosen, goals, etc.

Yes to maximum chemistry!

@Serafim

greater manifestation results of potential partners as the current version.

Yes, please ramp the manifestations up, to meet the few ones from the whole people that are most perfect matches possible.

@cryo424

Feeling completely and utterly deserving, worthy, and confident about dating a perfect 10 / ideal partner, especially in the early courtship stages. Complete elimination of self-sabotaging behaviors and beliefs such as “she’s out of my league”.

@cryo424

When we’re talking about a “Perfect 10” or otherwise exceptionally compatible partner, I think there’s a potential tendency to become so enamored with them that we lose our center - putting them on a pedestal, becoming overly preoccupied with them, or essentially “simping.”

At the same time, I wouldn’t want the solution to be total emotional detachment or indifference. Ideally, Heartsong ZPU would help the user experience the full depth of their attraction, awe, love, and appreciation without those emotions causing them to lose themselves.

Perfect for Stage 1.

@cryo424

Becoming a true power couple.

• Please also make the scripting compatible with APX, for manifesting soulmates in the astral/afterlife too (whom I can then visit every night etc. Reason: Manifestations on the astral planes are not limited to physical constraints so the title would work much more effectively there than here on physical Earth).

• I want Heartsong to be the “Ideal Romance Summertime Feeling”.
  I.e. something that happens naturally and just is.
  When you are with your soulmate and your heart sings, you experience eternal Summertime.
  The endless August.
  Something that just is.
  Something that is not depended on any skills.
  Heartsong should be the Peace and Summertime of Soulmate Manifestation.
  Not a “grind the dating market for potential matches” title.

• This should be the main focus of Stage 2:

@SaintSovereign

Stage 2 as the manifestation engine

• What I want to feel when together with my soulmate:
  Endless Summertime

[jelly]

@JCDenton

“Creating Opportunities” sounds like default dating stuff in the sense of “build a business if you want to manifest money”.
I think with the internet and social media there are more than enough pathes of manifestation to cover the whole planet.
Your ideal match could simply stumble upon your Insta profile and you DM each other…

I think this is more about the practicality of things. For the sake of argument let’s say I’m someone else’s soulmate and they happen to be running Heartsong. I’m not one to DM someone online just because I think they’re attractive, I’m a private person and there are thousands of people that fit my standards. So what practical reason would there be for me to reach out to this specific person? It’s violating my own autonomy and way I live my life, my free will to choose how I engage online. Is this soulmate supposed to conclude that we’re not compatible because I didn’t reach out to her? Why should her wanting a relationship to fall out of the sky trump my boundaries online? It feels violating of the free will scripting.

Not to say that this kind of thing can’t happen, but it feels like you’re narrowing yourself a lot by just expecting your soulmate to DM you on social media out of the blue. You don’t even need to go to dating events, just go to social/hobby events in general. My friends invite me to things a lot, and when I say yes, I’ll sometimes meet people I’ve seen online but would’ve never reached out to out of the blue because why would I? The context and environment matter a lot in determining what actions are “acceptable” to someone. If your soulmate was DMing you after just seeing a picture of you, who’s to say they weren’t DMing hundreds of other people just because they saw a picture of them? Would that change your opinion of them at all?

@JCDenton

Reason:
When you meet someone who is a perfect match, you will already know the answer to all of these questions.
Because your subconscious minds would have brought you two together by “soulmate compatibility”, i.e. your subconscious minds already know whether you two can build something together or not

Personal belief

@JCDenton

“Dating” and “manifesting a soulmate” are two different things for me.
With dating you are exploring options. Maybe this, maybe that.
With “manifesting a soulmate” you are bringing into your life that which you already subconsciously know of as being perfectly matching.

Is dating not just a singular route to manifesting your soulmate? There are others, but that is quite literally the most practical that doesn’t involve some magic voodoo.

@JCDenton

“Dating” is a chance game and roulette.
“Manifesting your soulmate” is bringing the already existing main prize into your life.

Personal belief. If you agree that the top 50 most compatible people on the planet could be a soulmate, then you’re inherently denying that whichever one you meet is your “main prize”. You have 49 others, do they now just not exist?

@JCDenton

Of course, there are no guarantees and promises in life, but that statement reads like a full blown disclaimer saying “run the title but don’t hope to actually ever meet anyone that makes you heart sing at all”.

It sounds like they don’t want to legally be held liable for anyone you meet while running the title. If I meet a psychopath after running a loop of Heartsong, was it Heartsong that manifested them, or was that just going to happen anyway?

@JCDenton

Yes.
Again another point why wastig time on compatibility exploration is absolutely the wrong direction for this title (in my opinion).
Your soul, spirit and subconscious mind already know who on this planet you are the most compatible with.
Just let these aspects of yours do their work.
And do not interefere in the process with standard dating activities.

The problem is making this universal. Your beliefs are unique from mine and virtually every other person’s on the planet. Define soulmate exactly how you believe it to be and give me a subliminal of it, I guarantee you I’ll be in recon hell or just flat out reject it. I’m assuming they’ll follow the track record they have with most titles and tailor it to your personal beliefs. So for you, it may manifest your real soulmate. For someone else, someone they’re extremely compatible with, since that’s what their definition of a soulmate is.

I get wanting these specific things, but these recommendations are either littered with personal beliefs that aren’t generalizable or expecting your free will to trump someone else’s by manifesting events only in the most convenient as possible way for you, disregarding the other person’s boundaries or standards. I don’t think SubClub subliminals are the medium for that, it goes against the spirit of the company Saint and Fire have been repeating for years. You do your work, reality will do its work. Become the cause, or give reality a cause, and you’ll get the effect back. If you yourself aren’t becoming the person to get something, why the hell should you be rewarded with it?

[Azriel]

" Engaging with Heartsong transforms your interactions with those you encounter, including a significant other, into experiences of extraordinary beauty and profound learning. This journey with Heartsong is not just about enhancing the aesthetic qualities of these encounters; it’s an exploration into the depths of your being. You’ll uncover revelations about your identity, desires, and aspirations, all while experiencing the beauty of human connection in its purest form.

For those on the quest for a partner or partners, with no bounds set by Heartsong, the process becomes an intuitive adventure. Heartsong equips you with an innate sense for identifying ideal romantic partners who not only align with your personal goals, desires, and attributes but also resonate with your innermost self. This is coupled with the sophisticated scripting of Heartsong, which facilitates an immediate, magnetic attraction to those who are a match for you. Remember, this attraction is mutual, creating a powerful, synergistic effect that accelerates the journey to find remarkable romantic partners.

Upon meeting your partner, an authentic connection is established. This phenomenon — while natural — is amplified exponentially by Heartsong. By intensifying the energetic connection, Heartsong nurtures the bond, enhancing its tenderness, beauty, sweetness, and passion. This is where a profound understanding begins to unfold, leading to an increasingly deep heart-to-heart connection that is not only emotionally fulfilling but also deeply healing for all involved.

• Develop a magnetic attraction to potential partners, facilitating smoother romantic connections and meetings with compatible individuals. Love at first sight is a distinct possibility with Heartsong."

Will this all still be included? Will it still include manifesting perfect partners through resonance and magnetism? The soulmate theme or multiple soulmate theme was also awesome. There was a magic in the previous heartstrong that seem to trasncend logic.

Hoping this won’t be completely adjusted to just a skill-based or self-improvement title. @SaintSovereign

[cryo424]

@Azriel

Will this all still be included ? @SaintSovereign

I really hope so

[SaintSovereign]

@Azriel

Will this all still be included? Will it still include manifesting perfect partners through resonance and magnetism? The soulmate theme or multiple soulmate theme was also awesome. There was a magic in the previous heartstrong that seem to trasncend logic.

Yes. Keep in mind, when I asked qOS to give a summary, I specifically asked for a grounded, practical version. Thus, it stripped all metaphysical language. So, we’re comparing a quick summary with the expanded philosophical copy.

The New Heartsong is going to feel much more magnetic, authentic and transcendent than the original.

[SaintSovereign]

@JCDenton

See above. That was a very quick summary of a very in-depth two stager, each with 20+ features.