Main Idea Thread: Heartsong

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#209

I know this is a big ask, but incorporating elements of KB WOULD BE INCREDIBLE…

When it comes to relationships, I wanna continue to grow my sexual energy and magnetism, but I want to be driven by connection and deeper values not lust…

But still want to grow my sexual energy and channel it into a partner and life rather than spread it everywhere

Seduction titles get me into “seducing” which involves new women to seduce, but I’d like to see on heartsong that I can grow my sexual energy for women in my life but once I pick one, cleanly direct it all at her and my work, and have conscious control over my sexual energy not be unconsciously driven by it

Edit: for example for me, when there’s a lot of “respond confidently and seductively to women you’re interested that show IOI’s to you” type scripting in something like Wanted, I find it hard to turn that response off if I’m in a committed relationship. Largely due to my own patterns. But if the scripting were about wanting to increase my sexual energy to create great things, be that manifesting a new partner, spending time with my existing partner, or just creating great things in life, that would be a way to express my “heart’s song” whether I’m single or in relationship

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#210

The issue is that adding elements of KB for this purpose might not express that way for all customers and would require a lot more conscious intent and direction of the additional sexual energy that KB provides.

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#211

More meant around the clean control of energy, lack of leakage, perhaps just the elements of healing rather than growing the energy. Growing less important than pointing at the chief aim.

But if that would express too wildly I get it! Like I said, big ask, bold combo

#212

Id like to pitch in an idea. I would love for the new HS to have some flexibility to work seamlessly with the Wanted line specifically WB. HS naturally stacks best with WDB first, then Wanted but Im hoping it can also accommodate WB if the user consciously guides it that way.

WB resonates most with me. I thrive on raw expression and intensity, but I equally value the magic of unhurried and quiet moments. I love the contrast between those poles

My hope is that the new HS stages can work through WB’s seemingly casual, reality-warping magnetism. And for Stage 1 to heal and enable WB to do it’s magic, assisting in embracing and thriving on the attention. This would allow a connection to spark deeply or casually at first, but still hold the nuanced potential to grow into something much deeper if both parties chooses to unfold it that way.

To be clear. I wont ask for direct, forced scripting that compromises what HS is designed to do or that dilutes the exclusive synergy WDB + New HS will naturally have. Just for underlying flexibility. This could also fit with Khan and I believe It aligns perfectly with the ZP philosophy: the title provides the fertile ground but the user’s conscious guidance, actions and real-life unfolding dictate the direction.

In the WB narrative John Wingliss is that intense, enigmatic figure. But he meets Jessica Dark, his match and their fated encounter unlocks depths neither experienced before. That’s the dynamic I would like this flexibility to allow. John Wingliss gets to remain fully himself, without any dilution of his edge, but with just enough extra room for his Jessica Dark to exist in that same space

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#213

Did we get confirmation that WDB + New HS will have an exclusive synergy? Exciting if so.

#214

Not really, just going off the stack explorer synergies and reason. It makes sense for HS, and its unique purpose to stack best with WDB from the Wanted line and Primal Romance from the Primal line. I am simply highlighting that while HS will always synergize best with WDB, there is potential for John Wingliss to manifest his Jessica Dark if and when he is ready, while remaining John Wingliss

#215

Now imagine a updated WANTED line, in ZPU scripting and build!

#216

saintsov did say in the WDB thread something along the lines of “if people want an updated title that does something similar to Heartsong, they should try WDB for now”

Or some sort of comparison of the two

#217

I see. I hope the two titles don’t directly compete with each other.

#218

Im gonna vomit my thoughts here a bit more if you excuse me

one thing stuck in my mind on this new heartsong idea is

is it gonna be two separate stages title one for making existing relationship bloom and prosper and a different one for “manifesting” that ideal love interest into our life? Or is it gonna be one single major where parts of script are for making existing relationship prosper and also at the same time another part of script attracts more potential ideal love interests that we can just sort of ignore?

and then what about the issue when people are in a relationship and keep saying no to new love interests even though they arent really happy with what they have but feel scared to let it go because “insert any reason for why people stay in relationships that dont make them as happy long term such as the investment of the past, fear of regret, fear of not having needs met anywhere outside, fear of pain of breaking up etc” so even when they continually meet new interests, they just dont take them because they choose to sort of stick to something that isnt what they fully want…

I think heartsong really needs to double down on the idea that it takes two people to tango. And if it will be about making existing relationships prosper, it will need to somehow ensure the other party is aligned and excited about what they want in the same way we are. Because no amount of good communication can solve a lack or absence of alignment for the two people. The entire idea of relationship is the idea that there is a journey you two share in a way that is fun for both. Even if its just those small things every day.

and I know some people really like the idea of “I will cover all my needs and I will be who I wish I could have in my life and only once I am this peak ascended version of myself that also acts as my own romantical partner, then I can date and not feel so much pain because I need someone else to meet my needs and be that ideal partner for me so I can feel happy and safe and adventurous because thats a dead dream that never ends well I just get desperate and hurt and etc” Like I get that people get heartbroken and hurt and then they try to find a way to be happy on their own fully without any partner so they avoid that pain in the future - right before they jump into dating again - because oh wow I guess unless youre a psycho or a monk you will always crave that dream of someone by your side - literally giving you comfort and being a source of it. Even if we would be that cool person we always looked up to, I think we still would crave that other “ideal” by our side. I genuinely dont think this desire can be avoided. Like ofcourse be yourself be all the things you love in your partners but we all want deep down someone we can lean on and someone that could “rock our world” and whether we gave up on it long time ago or still carry those dreams in our hearts to give us comfort when we are alone, I think heartsong could pull this off.

Im basically saying… hey give me a sub that will give me ideal partner. And make them not leave us lol. the only reason someone wouldnt want this is because they worry it might not be possible to keep forever :sunglasses: :wilted_flower: :stuck_out_tongue: life is too short and I want to have the cake and eat it too. Feed our greed subclub I want my unrealistic expectations met :heartbeat: (kind of kidding but also not)

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#219

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#220

What I like the most about Heartsong is the feature about discovering one’s own heart’s desires and dreams, whether that be romantic or not.

I believe the secret to finding and experiencing the most fulfilling relationship is discovering our own unique blueprint of love.

Once the heart’s wounds have been healed and one’s inner system recalibrated and aligned to its own unique architecture, every relationship in one’s life becomes fulfilling, wether it is relating to other human beings, relating to one’s own food intake, relating to one’s own routines, everything becomes a manifestation of one’s desires.

Meeting an amazing partner becomes inevitable.

A lot of the suggestions I am seeing in this thread are coming from different kinds of wounding and looking for coping patterns in the sub instead of true inner work and perspective change.

I see a lot of people haven’t accepted the pain of loss as a natural part of life. You can’t control other people, change is universal law, nothing lasts forever.

I believe the perfect relationship is experienced when you can accept the flow of birth and death, beginnings and endings, enjoy all of it without expectations and desire to control, true freedom and bliss.

I personally enjoy this current version of Heartsong a lot so I don’t really have new suggestions for it. Simply sharing my perspectives.

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#221

I like the idea that there will be a reforged version too

What I hope will be addressed is how relationships can trigger your shadow side

i’ve noticed this a lot in my relationships. More recently as I’ve developed the awareness of what I’ve been causing

There is no point finding your heartsong if you end up destroying the relationship in the process

So, things like:

  • Emotional triggers: Small comments from a partner can cause an outsized, intense emotional reaction that feels hard to control

  • Projection: You might unconsciously project your own hidden fears, insecurities, or unaccepted traits onto your partner, blaming them for things you carry inside yourself.

  • Mirroring: Partners often act as mirrors, reflecting parts of your personality—like anger, neediness, or a fear of vulnerability—that you try to hide from yourself

  • Conflict patterns: Recurring arguments and power struggles are often the direct result of two unintegrated shadow selves clashing against each other

Why This Happens

  • Intimacy requires safety: As a Jungian perspective on relationships notes, closeness creates a safe enough space for buried parts of the psyche to finally emerge and demand attention.

  • Old wounds surface: Unresolved childhood dynamics or past relational pain hide in the unconscious and wake up when a current relationship touches a sensitive nerve.

  • Desire for wholeness: The hidden parts of you want to be accepted, so they surface in close contact to be integrated rather than pushed away.

Not an exhaustive list. But I’ve noticed I’ve been inadvertently been using different titles to address these different parts of me that have been causing issues in relationships

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#222

This is great!

Is there also scripting for one to also be motivated to go out and look for their person? As noted earlier it’s easy for one to just get stuck living their usual life as single (regardless of happiness) just due to “how things have been” and all that. Or how looking might seem intimidating.

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#223

while I think the make them not leave us is too forceful I agree with your comment in that I still envision the end game of heartsong as the end of dating…because you’ve found the perfect person…however it really does seem like most think this is simply impossible and perhaps even a wrong intention to have…

#224

Obviously only if they want to. The idea is that they want us to stay just like we want them to stay. It should go from both ways - assuming it comes from healthy place such as - the relationship being something both parties want and enjoy haha… which the ideal goal

Its just so tragic when youre with someone and the next day they want to leave whatever the reason. Im writing the ideal outcome and I know subclub would never do anything that isnt healthy for both individuals

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#225

Spoken like a true :aquarius: Venus.

The Love Without Attachment module is really great for this. It would fit Heartsong nicely.

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#226

I might’ve posted this somewhere, not sure, but I’ve been thinking about the idea of chemistry. We want to meet/manifest potential partners with whom we have chemistry. Current HS which I’m running right now seems to do that well, as well as helps you ask the right questions/behave in a way to determine whether the person you’re interacting with has chemistry with you.

But maybe chemistry goes further than that. We should have chemistry with as many areas of our lives as possible. We should vibe with the gym we go to, yoga studio, our work/job, where we work, the people we hang out with, the music we listen to, the life path we’ve chosen, goals, etc.

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#227

I would like in my heartsong run to see improvements in my ability to love, connect, support, commit to, and be there for someone if I want to do that with them.

Not just “manifest” the soulmate but truly be able to go to the depths of love with that person in a way that her and I both feel like the relationship is supportive and loving.

Increase my capacity to love deeply.

Primal romance deals with the daily connection, whereas heartsong (in my ideal run) deals more with the desire to love someone directly, do so fully, commit, ask for what I need, know that I’m able to get what I need, and find joy in providing the same for my partner

#228

The first heartsong in QV2 was one of the most powerful quick acting subs I’ve ever experienced. I never tested it in ZP though. It was like freaking magic. The woman who were coming into my life, my sense of connection. I just didn’t prioritize that then

I may try ZP version so I can comment more

I see a huge transition in skill based focus and breaking things down linearly and I don’t know if that’s just being represented now in the copy but whatever magic in the OG Heartsong was there, I hope stays.

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