Main Hype / Dev. Thread - The New Ecstasy of Gold (2024)

Season 3: Fire vs. Saint has begun.

We’ll be dropping new information and fun goodies on a regular basis, starting with the musical single for The Ecstasy of Gold Suite!

Note: It’s a bit ridiculous that I even have to say this, but the references to “in your soul” in the lyrics do NOT refer to the subliminal itself, but rather a philosophical exploration of the dichotomy between the pursuit of material wealth and the effect the relentless pursuit of such can have on the inner life.

One of the strategies we like to use is to plug the lyrics into ChatGPT, asking it to deeply interpret the lyrics thematically, allowing us to see if we’ve expressed the idea properly. I’ve included that interpretation later in the thread underneath the lyrics.

As for EoG itself – we’re open to hearing your ideas, insights and reactions thus far. EoG, while still 100% primarily focused on helping you develop wealth to higher levels, will serve as the comprehensive wealth focused subliminal audio title available. It will help you dig deeper than ever into any and all issues you have with generating wealth, help you uncover all motivations toward generating wealth, as well as all blockages, allowing you to transcend them both and find true fulfillment through your wealth generation efforts.

THE ECSTASY OF GOLD SUITE

I said hey baby, we should spend that cash
let’s go drop it super fast
I know you’re gonna earn it back with class
Ain’t nowhere you can’t go
once you’ve tasted this gold
we’ll never let it go
We’ll never let it go
it’s like ecstasy
or heresy against society
can’t nothing describe it
and i ain’t lying
when i say that we should
never let this go
never let this go

It’s an ecstasy of gold
And baby we should never let this go
It’s the ecstasy of gold
And I just swim in your soul
And I just swim in your soul

What belongs to you is yours
Come claim your kingdom
I’m down on fours
It’s just a tease
Ain’t nothing in life that’s free
This gold, it bleeds
It’s living and it breathes
It flows into your heart from me
can’t nothing describe it
and i ain’t lying
when i say that we should never
let this go

It’s an ecstasy of gold
And baby we should never let this go
It’s the ecstasy of gold
And I just swim in your soul
And I just swim in your soul

This gold, it bleeds
It’s living and it breathes
It flows into your heart from me
can’t nothing describe it
and i ain’t lying
when i say that we should never
let this go

It’s an ecstasy of gold
And baby we should never let this go
It’s the ecstasy of gold
And I just swim in your soul
And I just swim in your soul

[Second Part: To the beat of the “LOVE BOMB” single]

Let’s go to space
I’ll put my faith in you
To lead the way
To a light and a truth
We shouldn’t wait
I can make it up to you

You ever wonder 'bout the price of making gold
ever wondered if it’s worth it
ever thought about your soul
i know, shit ain’t for free
gotta pay just to breathe
and everything you see
costs a buck twenty
but mama never said no lies
she said money is a high
it’s a feeling without limits
you can’t buy it
you can’t steal it
it’ll make you fly
and we really need it right?
so, let’s make that money 'til the day we die
but what happens if we’ve lived a lie?
but what happens if we’ve lived a lie?
so make that money
but spend it right

so baby spend it right
let’s make that money
let’s save some lives
let’s make that money
let’s save some lives

i know, you don’t wanna to hear this
but we can work all week and pop bottles on the weekend
you want the ladies dropping panties at the parties
and the supercars with tan vixens, blissful isn’t it?
it doesn’t hurt to give your fellow man a taste
of the ecstasy of gold, and let him plead his case
'cuz you’re a hero, and the gold is something inner
something purer, you’re not a sinner, can I move nearer
to that place where I’m a winner
I want it all, the cars and the clothes but I also

wanna save a life
so make that money
but spend it right
It’s the ecstasy of gold
and I just live in your soul
so make that money, baby
make that money but spend it right
it’s the ecstasy of gold
and I just live in your soul
so make that money, baby
make that money but spend it right

Lyrics Interpretation (as provided by ChatGPT):

“The Ecstasy of Gold” captures the seductive allure of wealth, contrasting its intoxicating power with moral and existential dilemmas. The song oscillates between hedonistic enjoyment of money and a deeper reflection on its cost, both material and spiritual. Here’s a deeper analysis:

Theme 1: Seduction of Wealth

The opening lines introduce a tone of excitement and extravagance:

“Hey baby, we should spend that cash, let’s go drop it super fast, I know you’re gonna earn it back with class.”

The speaker invites their partner to embrace the fast life, trusting that they can easily recoup any money spent. There’s a carefree, almost reckless energy to this proposition, as if money has no limits and is eternally renewable—perhaps symbolic of the belief that wealth, once attained, offers endless possibilities. This leads to the titular concept, the “ecstasy of gold,” likening the sensation of wealth to an addictive, euphoric experience:

“It’s like ecstasy or heresy against society.”

Wealth, in this context, defies societal norms or limits, as if those who possess it are above traditional rules.

Theme 2: Spiritual and Moral Undertones

Beneath the surface celebration of wealth, the song presents deeper questions about its spiritual consequences. The imagery in:

“This gold, it bleeds. It’s living and it breathes. It flows into your heart from me.”

suggests that wealth is not an inanimate object, but something alive, something with its own influence over the person who holds it. This anthropomorphization of gold introduces a moral ambiguity: while it gives power, it also has a life of its own, perhaps implying that wealth can take control of one’s soul.

Gold’s life-like qualities—its ability to bleed and breathe—suggest that wealth is not neutral. It has agency, affecting the person who wields it. The song implies that once gold enters the heart, it can’t be extricated, further emphasizing the inescapable, addictive nature of wealth. This connects to the recurring theme of ecstasy, where wealth becomes an experience that is felt viscerally, not just intellectually.

The repetition of:

“can’t nothing describe it, and I ain’t lying when I say that we should never let this go”

underscores the addictive nature of wealth. There’s an acknowledgment that the speaker understands its power, but also a lack of clarity or comprehension of its true nature—despite the speaker’s assertions, they struggle to fully articulate what wealth truly does to a person.

Theme 3: The Price of Wealth

The song transitions from celebration to reflection:

“You ever wonder 'bout the price of making gold, ever wondered if it’s worth it, ever thought about your soul.”

Here, the ecstasy of gold becomes a double-edged sword. The speaker questions whether the pursuit of wealth is truly fulfilling or if it costs more than it’s worth. There’s a realization that:

“Shit ain’t for free, gotta pay just to breathe, and everything you see costs a buck twenty.”

This line shifts the tone from carefree indulgence to a more cynical view of life’s inherent costs. The pursuit of wealth becomes a necessity, rather than a choice, and the speaker seems to wrestle with whether the material world—defined by the need to pay for even basic survival—can ever offer true satisfaction.

This line reveals the existential crisis at the heart of the song. The speaker is forced to confront the possibility that in chasing wealth, they may be losing something far more valuable—their soul. This shift in tone introduces a moral tension, contrasting the ecstasy of gold with the emptiness that may lie beneath it. The speaker acknowledges that “shit ain’t for free”—a stark reminder that even the pursuit of material freedom comes with invisible chains.

The realization that “everything you see costs a buck twenty” suggests that in a world defined by money, nothing is sacred. Every action, every breath, has a price. This cynicism underscores the relentless nature of capitalism, where value is constantly measured in financial terms. The speaker begins to question whether the high of wealth is worth the moral and spiritual compromises required to attain it.

Theme 4: Contradictions and Inner Conflict

The song explores the paradox of wanting wealth for personal pleasure but also desiring to use it for good. The line:

“Let’s make that money but spend it right, let’s make that money, let’s save some lives”

introduces the idea that wealth, while powerful, can be wielded responsibly. The speaker seems to be in a moral tug-of-war, caught between the selfish enjoyment of money and a deeper yearning for purpose or redemption through altruism. They acknowledge the temptation of a lifestyle centered on excess:

“You want the ladies dropping panties at the parties and the supercars with tan vixens, blissful isn’t it?”

but quickly pivot to a more reflective tone, asking:

“What happens if we’ve lived a lie?”

The speaker wonders if the pursuit of wealth is an illusion—an empty promise of happiness that distracts from deeper truths.

Theme 5: Redemption and Purpose

As the song progresses, the speaker seeks a balance between personal enjoyment and moral integrity:

“It doesn’t hurt to give your fellow man a taste of the ecstasy of gold, and let him plead his case.”

This sentiment reflects a desire to share wealth and its pleasures with others, suggesting a path to redemption through generosity. The speaker envisions themselves as a potential hero, someone who can “save lives” through the responsible use of wealth. Yet, they still express the desire for personal success, admitting:

“I want it all, the cars and the clothes but I also wanna save a life.”

The final message suggests a complex relationship with wealth: it can corrupt, but it can also be used for good, provided it is “spent right.”

Conclusion: Duality of Wealth and Morality

“The Ecstasy of Gold” delves into the intoxicating effects of wealth while grappling with its moral implications. The speaker is torn between indulging in the pleasures of material success and seeking a higher purpose through responsible use of money. The refrain, “make that money but spend it right,” serves as a call to find balance—enjoy the fruits of wealth, but never lose sight of the soul’s integrity. This duality creates a tension that runs through the entire song, highlighting the complex, often conflicting, emotions tied to the pursuit and use of wealth.

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@SaintSovereign I thought you said the new EOG was coming out for a bit?

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@James are you planning on sub hopping as well :smiley:

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I have not been sub hopping believe it or not. I have been running DRR St 1 solo for probably close to two months.

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Interesting song and analysis.

This seems more like a Divine EoG than EoG.

I feel like the missing piece is passion and fire that burn deep within you creates a state of ecstasy which then is transmutated into generating the most value and targeting the right market doing the things you love.

Value value value is the word I think about when it comes to wealth. It is about how much value you add to the market.

This ties into marketing, you can provide incredibly valuable products and services, if people don’t know about you, that value will not convert to gold.

Wealth management is also key, I agree with the song there should be balance. I think there should be a spend lavishly on the things that are important to you while savagely cutting things that do not provide you joy.

This is a title that goal seems to be at some point money doesn’t have a hold on you. You use it as a tool to buy life experiences and things that have deep meaning to you like the heart of ZP we have come to know.

At the same time, you are aware of your limits and have effortless discipline to live below your means.

Money doesn’t need to be a double edged sword, if you develop the discipline, and reduce your ego to properly use it effortlessly as a building block to building your life of ectasy

Initial thoughts for my 2 cents.

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Appreciate the very insightful comments and analysis!

While we’re still keeping much of the details close to the chest (and I don’t want to opine too much and influence people’s initial reactions), I’ll put it like this: The title itself aims to help serve as the “solution” to the dichotomy presented by the lyrics.

In other words: We’ve got that covered. Since I already announced this in another thread when @Jouissance commented about it – the new EoG contains an incredible amount of joy and passion scripting toward both discovering what will help you light that fire toward generating wealth through your personal passions AND putting your plans into execution, living up to the idea of “the ecstasy of gold.”

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I’m confused. I don’t see any correlation between wealth and spirituality. Two entirely separate things

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You pretty much describe the whole journey of the soul in those lyrics.

Being tempted by the flesh and the devil (everything is about money), then wondering if it’s even worth it (spiritual awakening) to understanding that wealth can be used for good (living a spiritual life) and finally accepting the duality of humanity (wanting to give (spiritual) but also having desires (the flesh) and wrestling with this.

That. Is. AMAZING.

Also exactly what I am still wrestling with lol
I wonder how this is mapped into the stages. Can’t wait!

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I’m sorry to hear that. I’m curious, why do you think they’re separate, and are they just “unrelated” to you or would you consider them opposites?

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Well, I can only speak from the Christian perspective, there it is said that ANY wealth, and ANY things on Earth are not yours, they are Gods. He created everything and HE is your provider. HE decides how much money you have.

This of course, begs the question, WHAT to do with the money I was given? How to USE it in Gods name?

That’s sort of the initial part of the song where the singer wonders “if it’s all worth it”

As Jesus said “He who looks for profit might gain the world, but lose his soul in the process.”

Many spiritual people struggle A LOT with understanding how to use wealth or even riches properly in the name of God.

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Looking forward to this title :pray:

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Just like everyone else right now, @Fire and I are both are being affected by skyrocketing prices due to massive inflation. I have to watch what I spend at the grocery store, for example, where in the past I could buy things with near reckless abandon.

So, what compels us to keep prices in our business ventures the same? A deep sense of altruism and trying to keep things accessible. We decided that we would sacrifice some of our own material desires in order to keep reinvesting back in the company, and thus more people would have access to our products and services.

Eventually, we’re going to have to raise prices, but if we can keep prices at what they are by simply refusing to upgrade our already nice equipment to the newest models (and I was definitely the type to always have top of the line stuff), then we’d do so.

That is the direct outpouring of our own spirituality. Doesn’t mean that our efforts aren’t profitable – they are, but we COULD be making a lot more money and catering to a very high income class. We’re offering free upgrades on all titles, but trust me – there are so many people who would pay for an upgrade and have told us so in private or support.

And yet, here we are, still upgrading 80+ products and essentially “losing” money (in the eyes of our fired business advisor, who “Dave” was actually based upon).

Why? Again, our deep beliefs compels us to do so. And I’m satisfied with what we make wealth-wise, I’m happy with slow expansion. I’m happy as long as people are actually receiving benefit from our products.

So, I have to disagree with you that wealth acquisition and spirituality / the inner life have no connection. I’ve made much more money at regular 9-5 jobs in the past, but I felt completely unfulfilled, until I realized that I needed to encourage the inner impulses that I was suppressing for years.

In fact, let me tell you what happened with the real “Dave.” We were having a business meeting and paying this individual a lot of cash, for him to sit down and give us a report that “our competitors are making new products that could change the game!”

@Fire facepalmed, and I already knew he was thinking: “Aw, shit. Saint’s about to get on his high ass horse.”

To “Dave,” I simply replied: “Well, no shit.”

Seriously, REALLY? That’s the information you came up with? Other companies are springing up and making products. rofl? Dave asked me if I were “concerned about this,” and I replied that not only was I not concerned, but I actually hope that if someone else makes something mindblowing, they do well and whatever they create changes the game.

From my perspective, it has got to be the most assholish thing ever to want someone else to fail, or to take actions to suppress the release of something that could genuinely help people because I’m worried about my own income. What does that mean about me as an artist, a creator, an entrepreneur? Do I not have faith in my own abilities as an innovator, so much that I have to actively hope for others to fail?

By releasing the control that money had over my mind, I’m able to actually serve customers better because I’m not making decisions based upon fear, but rather intensely focusing on customer needs. A doctrine which has fueled our growth – both business and internal growth.

So, without the spirituality and inner growth that you are questioning, you’d be paying $2000 for the new EoG, because it’s definitely worth it.

But that wouldn’t bring me any happiness, nor would it fuel my own quest for “the ecstasy of gold.”

Now, make no mistake, EoG is not a spiritual title, per se. It does not focus on that like our other spiritual titles. However, is the NSE not an inherently “spiritual” concept – scripting that allows your life to unfold naturally according to what’s within?

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Depends on interpretation of spirituality.

If spirituality is giving yourself the best, making the most of your time on this earth. I’d say wealth aids in that.

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I will attest to this.

I have asked Saint on multiple occassions to increase the price and barrier to entry.

I would pay $199 for each Subliminal if I knew that they werent being nerfed to protect low caliber customers.

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People with zero interest in improvement besides just listening to the audio and hoping they wake up a different person isn’t who I want to associate myself with.

People without true clarity on what they want out of life and just collect audios to feel like they’re accomplishing something lowers the quality of this community by a magnitude of 10X.

CAVEAT: It’s okay to not know what you want out of life, but only if you’re young. If you’re in your 40’s - 50’s - 60’s … You’ve failed

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As an improvement from previous iterations of SC wealth titles, I hope to see more scripting around the productivity aspects of wealth.

Action IS wealth. Otherwise, it’s just an idea. We have ASBR/NR for ideas. When rubber hits the road, you make money by working. And if you get a spiritual high off of working that’s literaly just loving what you do AKA loving doing.

A lot of the healing I got from EOG was not healing my relationship to money but instead my relationship to work.

I saw, as the primary influence, my mom working in a business that eventually did bring my family out of poverty and into a comfortable middle class, but I saw that it meant she wasn’t home 6 days a week, and on the 7th day she was tired, and because of her personality, she spent a lot of her time wih me complaining about work, how hard it was, how exhausted she was, how she had no life because of it, etc.,

I then started looking for evidence to confirm that everywhere I went… and I found it.

Movies everywhere portray the “American Career Man” who makes copious amounts of money but is deeply unhappy inside, until he realizes his money is meaningless and it’s XYZ that matters more. The miserable millionaire, so to speak. I thought that being rich wasn’t worth it if you had to work to get it. This scene comes to mind especially,

I saw that dentists had the highest suicide rates and I thought to myself… well of course… they make the most money, work extremely hard, they go to med school which is hard, and they do all that just to have a career that they always have to work in.

I saw it in other countries as well. Japan has the highest suicide rates, and they have the Salaryman phenomenon… people literally working themselves to death.

So the story I created and believed without question or awareness of, until EOG, was that work = death.

Every billionaire gets it: you need to love to the work. That’s the connection that guarantees wealth. I’m pessimistic towards just anybody being able to automate, delegate, and systemize their way to wealth. First of all, that takes a lot of work to set up and learning how to do that takes a lot of work. Second of all, managing that is important and it is work. Third of all, if you are able to systemize a business like that to make you a moderate income, the whole point of scalability is that you should be able to multiply it as you work more. And why wouldn’t you work more if you loved work, right?

Healing beliefs related to productivity, ie, the belief that working is not fun, is the first step towards being wealthy.

Having a strong work ethic is the first step to having trust in professional relationships. Integrity is second to work ethic. The honest procrastinator makes way less money than the dishonest workhorse. Integrity is the more important thing for a happy and fulfilling life, but let’s not make the mistake of thinking that all you need to do is be honest and compassionate and then the universe will help you manifest a lazy, no-work, passive income business.

Perhaps stage 1 can heal beliefs around work/productivity even more than planned, stage 2 can help you learn new productivity, and stage 3 can help you truly “take action” with massive productivity boosts, with stage 4 perhaps having less productivity to focus more on the wealth side… building a massive business takes (slightly) more productivity than sustaining and managing one does.

For me and many other I’ve observed, Limitless Executive is a huge results enhancer for wealth titles, and that’s why.

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Yes.

@SaintSovereign

Please can you look deeper into the idea of “loving the work” attaching dopamine to the process of building things.

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Now, this is interesting (the whole post was, but this jumped out at me), because I get what you mean, and this is one of the things the new EoG is attempting to address. I’d be interested if anyone has more insight regarding their experiences on EoG in relation to this. I think the new NSE implementation, as well as the joy + passion scripting would help with this a lot, but we’re open to all feedback.

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