Main Discussion Thread - Q

If I told you what it’s doing, that would invalidate the test results, as people would then scream “placebo” and claim it’s not REALLY working, people are just imagining their results. The point of a blind test is to prevent that.

We’re not other vendors. I can’t answer for them, but the effects from our products don’t “subside,” they naturalize. Meaning, the acute effects are no longer discernible because they are now part of your natural state of being and now then the “deep work” occurs. This is the point of keeping a journal – so you can clearly chart your growth.

Second, the results people are receiving are stated directly in the script. I’m not going to tell you exactly what’s happening, only that it’s very obvious by those of us observing the test (who knows what the script is doing) that they are executing.

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I guess I will wait for a while before upgrading my customized name-embedded stack to include Ultima then.

I can call my upgraded sublimal Lord British.

Ultima won’t be in Q for quite some time, if ever. Only certain scripts are compatible with it right now.

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Please tell me Libertine is one of those that is compatible!!?!?! That sub needs an upgrade :yum:

Perfect. This is promising then.

I am not coming in bold. I just reply on this [post] as for us to understand results we need to compare with what it actually does and at the end of the day if it accomplishes its purpose/goals/intentions.

This motivated me to start a journal

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I am very surprise that she isnt in yoga pants, or something click baity.

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Dam , didn’t realize he was try to scrap off the back of others member’s

It’s not that we haven’t been paying attention. It’s that we don’t know what it is we’re looking for. People are reporting results but it’s impossible for us to know whether those are the expected results or not. I didn’t mean to imply that it wasn’t being effective, only explaining its claim to fame. As testers the results we’re noticing could be hit or miss to the scripts efficacy. Understandably this is part of the testing process but since we’re in the dark about what a script does, we can’t say for certain it hit us in a day.

Also admittedly I haven’t read every single Ultima journal and I tend to skim/speed read them because there’s so much. Many topics I’ve simply unfollowed because every time I came back to the board I’d have 15-20 unread topics and it just became too much (at least for me)

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I feel you. :slight_smile:

Speedread faster, you auto-start following a topic after hanging out in it for 6 minutes I believe.

As for the Ultimas, there is a very common theme in all the journals that is evident from the start. If you ignore the A/B differences you could detect it.

Of course, I get it a lot less, which annoys me, which is exactly what Ultima is NOT trying to do.

Don’t take this as an attack on you (or anyone else), nor that I’m upset or angry. I was actually in an exceptionally playful mood when I wrote that last night.

One of the issues we have as subliminal producers is overcoming societal programming in regards to skepticism and pragmatism. From a scientific standpoint, skepticism isn’t “disbelief,” it’s suspending disbelief (and belief) until enough evidence can be produced to create a conclusion. Remember, there’s no such thing as “proof” except in mathematics (where 1 + 1 will definitively produce 2, no matter how you try and swing it). For everything else, there’s evidence. Unfortunately, society has conditioned people to disbelieve and disregard a new idea until it’s “proven,” and labeled that as skepticism. Those who are “skeptics” are widely considered as intellectually superior, when in actuality (at least in my opinion), it’s just intellectual laziness. A person doesn’t have to think for themselves as long as some authority says something is “true” or “not,” and they’re rewarded for doing so.

How does that apply to subliminals? Well, @Fire, myself and @DarkPhilosopher sees things from a much broader, wider view. While Dark isn’t privy to ALL of the SubClub secrets, I do provide him with more information than our customers so that he can discuss things with everyone and moderate the community more efficiently. Since he knows what the Ultima script’s goals are, he can attest that there is indeed strong evidence that Ultima is performing as intended.

As for everyone else, that societal conditioning to discredit comes in, as many people will attribute results to anything OTHER than the subliminal. Or, those standing on the sidelines watching will try to credit people’s results to “placebo,” based on their limited experiences and worldviews. That’s why, when people send in a support ticket asking how they’ll know if a subliminal is working for them, I always say: “You know baseline better than anyone else. If things start happening that never happened before after you began running the subliminal, it’s most likely a RESULT.”

That being said, when testing a subliminal, we want testers to adopt the mindset that all things are potentially possible, look for patterns, then guess what the subliminal is trying to accomplish. If I tell you, that invalidates the test, because the placebo effect can take over. I know it’s possible, because one of our members has been spot on multiple times, not only about Ultima’s effects and possible scripting, but what it’ll most likely be used for. I won’t point out their exact posts, but I will give them props. That poster is @friday. You have a good intuition in regards to subliminals. :wink:

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@SaintSovereign I would think that scepticism especially as it relates to subliminals comes down to either bad experiences with other vendors or simple reconciliation

You could also be looking for results and not see anything because you’re expecting something specific

when would one be ready to try a terminus level sub of the sub they are regularly using? Right now im doing 3 loops of stark per day for 3 days.

It depends on user case but Saint suggested 3-6 months of the Q version before using Terminus.

Some people can use Terminus and others can’t.

The reconcilation I feel when on Terminus is horrendous and messes with my business so there’s no way I can stay on it, however some people have been able to straight run through it with hardly any problems according to journals.

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I’ve taken my module list and use it as a journal prompt so I can reflect on what each and every single module is doing. Figured this would help some of you who also keep journals.

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My reconciliation morphs into either bad anxiety or procrastination. Fearing the worst. Oddly enough I only get that when listening to the ultrasonic versions. On the masked yeah there is some reconciliation but it manifests in wanting to do a million things and yet not knowing at all what to do or where to begin

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What’s a journal prompt?

Interesting that there’s a difference between US and masked.

Which do you listen to more, on a regular basis?

I noticed this to. Masked and Ultrasonic seem to effect my very differently. Not in the the scripting but in there executions and absorption.