A nice example of what I’m talking about:
Thanks @Vkluff
@GoldenBird There’s a hope, mate.
It all depends on how—and to what extent—you can anchor a sub in your reality to make it a true catalyst for change, propelling you to the next level.
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I agree I might have to go back to Primal
But for now I’ll continue
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Would both stack? Primal and Wanted Black.
Yes but depending on your development, you’ll want to put some effort into switching modalities and getting used to the different styles. You’ll still get benefits even if the two styles are completely new to you in either case.
Throw in singularity and it should be a breeze with that paradox effect.
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Back when I was running Q Emperor, possibly even pre Q, and the first version of Libertine, now Primal Nights, dropped the hype was just as big as any major seduction release today. I remember using it just once and the very next day, I met a really cute girl on the train which i dated for months. She not only sat in front of me but actually started the conversation. The chemistry and attraction were so effortless it was like an instant & effortless manifestation which met my back then skill level and needs in everyway and more.
This pattern repeated itself with every major attraction sub release: Libertine, Primal Seduction, Diamond, Sex Mastery, and so on. The results would always peak in the first few weeks.
Why Is That?
This goes way deeper than placebo or tech differences.
Back then each new drop came from a smaller selection pool. There was no WB, RotNW, or Divine Diamond. For attraction your go to options were Ascended Mogul, Emperor, then PS and Libertine for aura. There was no second guessing, no stack overthinking. Just pure focus and execution.
Using both Emperor and Libertine didn’t feel like “chasing” or “attracting.” It was just everything because there was no other option to consider. Contrast that with today where people mentally compartmentalize subs. Instead of fully embodying attraction, some hesitate, thinking, “Is this enough?”
The first time effects
What happens when you use a subliminal for the first time?
- Excitement You’re pumped, fully invested and expecting results.
- Confidence You trust the process, so you naturally take action without hesitation.
- Reticular Activating System (RAS) Lock-In Your mind is tuned into success, every small detail so you see and attract more opportunities.
- Momentum The smallest result feels huge, reinforcing your belief, which makes things snowball.
It’s why the first week is often the most powerful before people start overanalyzing, min maxing, micro-looping, stacking, and trying to “optimize” their approach and the perfect this and best that!
More Options, More Doubt, Less Focus
Even though today’s tech (ZPv2+) is exponentially stronger, people aren’t running subs the same way anymore.
- Back then, if you ran Emperor, you ran it as your seduction sub. There was no questioning it.
- Today if you run Emperor, part of your mind thinks, “This is just for status, I need to stack it with RotNW or PS for attraction.”
- Back then PS was “seduction on steroids .” Now, it’s "one of many seduction choices.”
This shift in mindset has changed how people experience results not the subs themselves.
Infinitely stronger subs + weaker mindsets
Pre Q and Q recon was mostly due lacking in healing as well as punishing inaction. ZP recon is mostly due to over exposure, sub hopping, healing ( which is the idealized form of reconciliation ) and also for not taking action. However there next to no uncertainty, overthinking and lacking in vision back then compared to today.
There was no sub hopping back then because there was no subs to hop back and forth on. Ascended Mogul, then Emperor did literarily everything and continued to evolve with each upgrade! The only reason they don’t seem to do everything anymore is due to the abundance of choices we now.
Current Emperor, Stark, SB etc. have all the seduction you will ever need to break reality and live a great life doing so. Attraction subs go the extra step and aura subs pushes reality to its limits. However no amount of upgrades, healing, perfect min maxing will ever compensate for doubt, lacking in vision and confidence. If you run Emperor and believe it’s not a " seduction " sub simply because you are not using PS or WB you are severely underestimating yourself and the sub. So using WB you best believe you are literarily a hacking " dating and seduction " on an unfathomable levels. If not then you are fundamentally nerfing your results.
Key Takeaway
This is not about needing to believe for subs to work. That is not why Subclub continues to grow each year while retaining loyal and active customers who can’t get enough. it’s about the fact no matter how many upgrades, choices, or improvements come along the mind always would rather overanalyze which is nothing more than resistance disguised as strategy
I stopped posting about my seduction/romance results because i wanted to pass the torch and to improve other aspects of my life instead of continuing to reinforce my value to myself through dating and nothing else. Yet most of what i see nowadays is overthinking stacks and suggestions instead of results. Its disheartening to see so many posting about this stack and X sub and Y sub etc. when a single one of those, used properly to mere 50% efficiency, would give them 10x the results i wish they rather post about.
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Reconciliation is not as obvious as it used to be; it’s become insidious. All that sub-hopping and stack optimizing is a form of reconciliation. Another thing is sticking to the forum, reading other people’s results, and waiting for upgrades, which can also be a form of recon. Most of us are in recon without realizing it. The saddest consequence of that is what you mentioned: lack of vision and confidence, negativity, and FOMO.
The solution is here:
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Tremendous breakdown of expectations and experiences using subs …as I said years ago , it will take months and years of regular use to break lifetime thought patterns and habits …even after running a sub for a while …those old habits creep back in occasionally!
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No doubt about it. It’s good that many are aware that not all recon is headaches, irritability, lethargy and bad mood.
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You’re results were nuts though. I remember I forum stalked you when I started because you had some pretty insane results. Very inspirational.
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Amazing insights. The challenge is sticking to something when the honeymoon period is over. Then the deeper changes can actually happen.
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I can truly say that I now operate on a different level in life. The quality of my social circle/interactions has increased drastically. I’m also able to see the positive impact that I have on those around me. People take no reservations about letting me know how much they appreciate having me in their lives, they even go as far as to praise me highly to all of their friends/family when making introductions. I’ve had experiences where people I’ve just met tell me they can “sense something different about me” and comment. I was recently introduced to a very high-profile individual by one of my good friends, during the introduction this individual told my friend how fortunate he was to have someone like me in his life, describing my energy as “angelic”. Strangers stop me to comment on my “beautiful smile” or “positive energy/feeling” they get from me. The other day, I met a fashion model with over a million followers who took quite an interest in me. So much so that the next time she saw me walking into the VIP area she ran up to me, gave me a huge hug, and kept trying to convince me to come home with her. I’m sure that running wanted black alongside my custom has contributed to some of these more social results. Interesting observations that I thought I’d share.
Here is a snippet from my journal, some of the results relate to this sub so I’m sharing.
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Those are fun results, how long did you run wb and what’s the custom? Did u do any energy exercises or get the effects from sub
His QTKS custom
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7x synergy and 3x cores xd crazy stacked
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And that’s not all in his stack… at least also Wanted Black
I tried before and I’m no good on customs like that… but his shine is likely off ASRB & WB
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I’ve been running wanted black since its release. My custom is quite dense but I remained committed and have experienced truly mind-bending results. I wouldn’t recommend running a custom as dense as this if you aren’t ready for what you might face within yourself.
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If i remeber correctly i used PS and Libertine for a long ass time and obsessed over using the auras to their absolute limits. Intentionally or not it lead to the new PS reality bubbles where users do it naturally and freely.
What did you start with back then?
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Emperor and Wanted.
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I suspect King’s Radiance also has a thing to do with some of those results along with WB and SB.
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