Main Disc. Thread - The NEW Primal (Free Upgrade Now Available!)

“Unique features” ? :thinking:

charisma → IC, ASBR, GLM, LBFH, Chosen, WANTED, WB, Genesis, LB, Ascension

risk taking → GLM, ASBR, KHAN, Emperor, HERO, EE

optimistic outlook → AoH, LB, Sanguine, Limitless Wonder

crafting your own reality → ASBR, KHAN, GLM, ME, Genesis, Renaissance Man

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Don’t forget GLMTC, lightweight, fast acting, charisma, power, and confidence in a bottle. I love Primal but I spend more time presenting product strategy and roadmaps to directors and partners than trying to seduce chicks and GLMTC + EE has been my latest favourites

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Unique in the way it’s expressed within Primal specifically I guess.

For example,
Seduction → Wanted, Emperor and WDB
But each one has its own unique style, flavour and practical outworking of their method of seduction.

The generic feature (e.g. optimism or seduction) is of course in most cases not going to be wholly unique to a specific sub, but the way in which it is expressed and embodied within a sub an be unique I’d say :slight_smile:

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Completely different flavor in Primal than any of the other titles you mentioned.

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I made a primal custom a while back with physicality shifter in it a while back and it went well.

Might consider making a name embed version with it.

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Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure that every title has a unique element that no other title has. Primal Seduction for example, is not just Primal and Sex & Seduction slapped together. All 3 are unique.

You can’t just take a category like “charisma”, and put a bunch of titles in there. This is not a conducive framework of differentiating between subliminals. I can do the same thing with anything, like wealth for example.

Wealth - Genesis: Mogul, R.I.C.H., R.I.C.H. Trader, C&C, Nouveau R.I.C.H., EOG, etc

Yes, they all cover wealth as a feature - but how do they differentiate in regard to that? How do they express wealth? What is prioritized and focused on more in x title, that is not done as much in y title, in regard to z thing. It’s very simple. You have to take into account all of this nuance which is mentioned in the copy itself. You’ll see people talk about “flavor” - dial in on what they mean by that because I don’t think you fully understand it based on your comment. Every title is an experiential masterpiece, it’s much more than some type of monotonous rating framework. To give you another example:

If 2 different titles have charisma, risk-taking, seduction, and crafting your own reality, it might seem like “oh these titles cover the same thing”, but in reality - the way those things build upon or play off each other to create one holistic expression can be very different… and that’s on top of being in alignment with your own unique Zero Point. This is why you can experiment and try out different flavors, and see how things combine, etc.

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This is a common problem of JC and he openly admitted it repeatedly.

He knows about his struggles, but that doesn’t solve the issue.

It is kinda my problem too. Knowing it all, seeing it all, but knowledge itself doesn’t resolve all. In my case, action threshold is still not being crossed in most cases. It is what it is.

As for Primal, I haven’t tried it yet, was thinking about it for a year. Could be precisely what I need.

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That’s being human. God knows I’ve been there.

I know what you mean and I understand that all of these mentioned features come with the own unique “Primal flavor”. But they are not unique features in the sense that you won’t get them with a slightly different flavor in other titles too.

The discussion was about Primal’s positioning compared to other existing titles and I personally, have not been able to identify unique use cases for why someone would run Primal (except as a foundation stage for KHAN maybe?). But that is just me and my perception and I might not be able to see the potential use cases that are others are seeing.

Yeah, that’s why I always have to actually run the respective title and learn how I feel with them in order to get a proper conceptual understanding of what the words in the copy actually mean.

Flavor is part of the positioning, lol.

You can’t separate the two. You can’t say “yes it has a unique flavor that other titles don’t have”, and then say “but what’s the unique use case for why someone would run Primal?”.

You answered your own question - because it has a unique flavor that other titles don’t have. It seems like you’re downplaying or perceiving the flavor/archetypal lens of the title as irrelevant, and only focusing on objective features.

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Ironically, that’s the simple brilliance of primal. It’s focused nature makes it easy to lock in and see results. As scripts get heavier, light/focused titles are great way to round out a stack.

Want to see Primal and Primal seduction get updates

Both are pretty new and reimagined. So a big update will probably not happen to soon
Saint stated though, that once ZPU is rolled out, all reimagined titles will get a quick fix.ti the newest level.

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And it’s not like they ‘need’ more. Both work well.

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Yea even without the latest updates, I find that Primal is just a fit for me. Even if it never got updated again, which won’t happen, I’m perfectly happy with the Primal. I’m definitely growing and enjoying it and also character building at times.

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im interested to know more about how the healing aspect of primal differs from dragon reborn. they seam to have completely different effects dynamically, but primal had a much more powerful result, almost looked like another person looking back in the mirror.

DR is healing everything
While Primal heals your sexuality as a strong man

Primal is nice
Personally I felt the healing takes time so even if you see results now.
Don’t do as I did and think you can move on.
Use more cycles to help it sink in

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