That’s rough buddy, I wish you the utter best in navigating the recon. You got this! 
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Yea I’m having the struggle with wanting to switch titles now. I have both new LB and new Primal in my stack. But it’s not the fist crushing. Just like this strong want to switch my stack. I don’t even have a certainty on what to switch with so I’m definitely saying it’s recon and I’m gonna stay with it.
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I’ve experienced it on Primal lots of times but every time I got to the conclusion that Primal is exactly what I need. My old patters tried to trick me into giving up on it. It was classical recon; the “lawyer’s game”, where I tried to reason my way out of listening to Primal. Another instance was doing so well on Primal that those old patterns attempted to trigger self-sabotage in me and I almost gave up on Primal.
No matter what, push through as it’s definitely title you “should” run. Classical recon indicates that the sub is doing deep, essential work that will be the most beneficial to you once it’s “completed”. I see it myself now, enjoying Primal to the fullest.
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I think this is going to be my next sub. 
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How is your dark side more dear to your hearth? Is your heart dark/evil?
For how long did you guys had to run this sub for the recon to disappear?
And after how many days did you start to feel the recon?
It’s about embracing my dark side wholeheartedly. My dark side is evil but I ca rechannel its energy towards positive, prosocial attitude and behavior.
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Sub zero, I admire that you embrace the shadow. I don’t think it’s evil at all it’s apart of the psyche.
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Yeah, it’s beyond good and evil. I was actually referring more to how it feels than to its moral aspect as there’s none as long as it doesn’t concern other people.
Primal dissolves your inhibitions, especially related to your sexuality and makes you more yourself (authentic), and that alone makes it an excellent tool for doing the shadow work.
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Alright, this is all opinion and experience, so feel free to shoot me down, but…
I’ve run programs that have given me recon after 1 loop, I’ve run programs that have given me recon after 2 cycles, I’ve run programs that have given me recon after 1 loop and I’ve continued to run it for months and the recon never “went away”.
The level of recon that you experience seems to be related to four major factors:
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How much you are already similar to the program you’re running. If you already have certain qualities, then running a program “similar to you” is easier. So someone who’s already a coquettishly devilish lady’s man probably won’t get much recon on Wanted, whereas a socially nervous people pleaser might have a harder time. I, for example, have always had a very easy time on seduction subliminals and alpha subliminals because I had certain qualities that came from early childhood: I’m the oldest son of a large family, I worked in leadership and management prior to subclub, and I’ve always been a bit of a womanizer and a romantic. So though the programs have grown me tremendously, I already had the base material which has made them FAR easier for me to run.
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How experienced you are both with processing subliminals and self-development. The ability to willfully alter your behavior, self-awareness, openness to change. These skills all appear to lesson the recon that someone experiences. Openness to change is also a huge factor in subliminal processing.
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Your goals and desires. If you run a program that contradicts your goals, ambitions, and desires recon is almost always far higher. This is what I experienced running a “poor fitting” program for 4 months. Everyday was hellish because I was trying to force myself to develop qualities that I didn’t actually want. Go figure, I turned my own life into a battle between my heart and ego.
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Your subliminal history. If you have run and succeeded on programs that are similar to the new program, then it does appear to be easier. For example, I’d you run Emperor, Khan does appear to be easier. If you run Wanted, Wanted Black does appear to be easier. Etc, etc, etc.
That is to say, there is no real time frame that someone can give you.
Healing subliminals, for instance, rock me to the core. I ALMOST cannot run them because of how painful they are. I also struggled immensely with Lovebomb for Humanity, and Total Breakdown was pretty rough. Dragon Reborn: Limit Destroyer completely altered my perception of myself and my life, but it hurt, it hurt pretty bad.
Money subliminals are also very, very painful for me.
Meanwhile, Primal? Holy hell, it’s the single easiest subliminal I’ve ever run. My first loop was so smooth that I almost convinced myself that I ran an empty mask, it was only when I really thought deeply about it, that I saw the changes.
And the changes were deep and INSTANT! I over came traumas that I’ve held for decades in a second. All it took was me remembering them to let them go. But that’s just my experience, yours will be different.
I guess this is both a Primal review and an answer to your question, lol.
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Actually it reminds me of Ighigo’s Vizard form from Bleach, where he finally can control his inner beast and use its power for his own benefit. I just think that in real life fighting is not something constructive (instead you should try to understand people), but this is an anime.
Animes have a lot of good teachings (and sometimes bad ones too) and it looks like the subs from SC include some or many of those good teachings. Maybe the SC founders got them from a common spiritual background.
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How many of you using Primal couldn’t get to have sex with anyone before using it, and had sex with at least 2 women after using it?
And how long did it take for you to achieve that?
Here. Three women.
Within a week of consciously working towards it.
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Genius!
Can you give me examples of your conscious guidance, so that I can extrapolate it to my other subs?
The usual stuff. Online dating, going out to socialize, at work, friends of your friends etc. The only drawback I noticed is that almost every woman wants to have me to herself, and even more so knowing that that’s not the way I am. I CAN’T BE CAGED, I CAN’T BE OWNED!
You can find all about my framework in my journal. The subliminal razor approach.
Guys, don’t run seduction subs if you don’t even talk to women on a daily basis.
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And the moment you would be caged or owned, they would lose the interest in you. They’re only interested because they can’t cage nor own you! That’s how it works!
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I think you’ve misread his question.
He asked for guys not being able to loose their virginity until primal.
IIRC, you’ve accomplished this long before I joined SC.
Or did you refer to old Primal? Because you’ve linked your new Journal.
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why not
The same reason why you wouldn’t wanna run Emperor Fitness while being lazy and never working out.
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Perhaps.
If that’s the case I wouldn’t recommend Primal for the job which may sound counter-intuitive. Primal needs some basic seduction patterns/daily routines and paths of manifestation already in place in order to work its magic.
Another example of that very basic framework:
To form those basic patterns/daily routines one needs to have another basic patterns/daily routines in place. Namely, social patterns/daily routines; socializing with people (especially women) on a daily basis.
Now you still can benefit from seduction subs but your progress would be way slower and you would be prone to more recon.
Mental Alchemy is all about smoothing out the whole process, gradually building up your desired patterns. That’s the way we adapt. It’s as simple as that.
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