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#525

Alright, this is all opinion and experience, so feel free to shoot me down, but…

I’ve run programs that have given me recon after 1 loop, I’ve run programs that have given me recon after 2 cycles, I’ve run programs that have given me recon after 1 loop and I’ve continued to run it for months and the recon never “went away”.

The level of recon that you experience seems to be related to four major factors:

  • How much you are already similar to the program you’re running. If you already have certain qualities, then running a program “similar to you” is easier. So someone who’s already a coquettishly devilish lady’s man probably won’t get much recon on Wanted, whereas a socially nervous people pleaser might have a harder time. I, for example, have always had a very easy time on seduction subliminals and alpha subliminals because I had certain qualities that came from early childhood: I’m the oldest son of a large family, I worked in leadership and management prior to subclub, and I’ve always been a bit of a womanizer and a romantic. So though the programs have grown me tremendously, I already had the base material which has made them FAR easier for me to run.

  • How experienced you are both with processing subliminals and self-development. The ability to willfully alter your behavior, self-awareness, openness to change. These skills all appear to lesson the recon that someone experiences. Openness to change is also a huge factor in subliminal processing.

  • Your goals and desires. If you run a program that contradicts your goals, ambitions, and desires recon is almost always far higher. This is what I experienced running a “poor fitting” program for 4 months. Everyday was hellish because I was trying to force myself to develop qualities that I didn’t actually want. Go figure, I turned my own life into a battle between my heart and ego.

  • Your subliminal history. If you have run and succeeded on programs that are similar to the new program, then it does appear to be easier. For example, I’d you run Emperor, Khan does appear to be easier. If you run Wanted, Wanted Black does appear to be easier. Etc, etc, etc.

That is to say, there is no real time frame that someone can give you.

Healing subliminals, for instance, rock me to the core. I ALMOST cannot run them because of how painful they are. I also struggled immensely with Lovebomb for Humanity, and Total Breakdown was pretty rough. Dragon Reborn: Limit Destroyer completely altered my perception of myself and my life, but it hurt, it hurt pretty bad.

Money subliminals are also very, very painful for me.

Meanwhile, Primal? Holy hell, it’s the single easiest subliminal I’ve ever run. My first loop was so smooth that I almost convinced myself that I ran an empty mask, it was only when I really thought deeply about it, that I saw the changes.

And the changes were deep and INSTANT! I over came traumas that I’ve held for decades in a second. All it took was me remembering them to let them go. But that’s just my experience, yours will be different.

I guess this is both a Primal review and an answer to your question, lol.

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#526

Actually it reminds me of Ighigo’s Vizard form from Bleach, where he finally can control his inner beast and use its power for his own benefit. I just think that in real life fighting is not something constructive (instead you should try to understand people), but this is an anime.

Animes have a lot of good teachings (and sometimes bad ones too) and it looks like the subs from SC include some or many of those good teachings. Maybe the SC founders got them from a common spiritual background.

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#527

How many of you using Primal couldn’t get to have sex with anyone before using it, and had sex with at least 2 women after using it?

And how long did it take for you to achieve that?

#528

Here. Three women.

Within a week of consciously working towards it.

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#529

Genius!

Can you give me examples of your conscious guidance, so that I can extrapolate it to my other subs?

#530

The usual stuff. Online dating, going out to socialize, at work, friends of your friends etc. The only drawback I noticed is that almost every woman wants to have me to herself, and even more so knowing that that’s not the way I am. I CAN’T BE CAGED, I CAN’T BE OWNED!

You can find all about my framework in my journal. The subliminal razor approach.

Guys, don’t run seduction subs if you don’t even talk to women on a daily basis.

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#531

And the moment you would be caged or owned, they would lose the interest in you. They’re only interested because they can’t cage nor own you! That’s how it works!

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#532

I think you’ve misread his question.
He asked for guys not being able to loose their virginity until primal.
IIRC, you’ve accomplished this long before I joined SC.

Or did you refer to old Primal? Because you’ve linked your new Journal.

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#533

why not

#534

The same reason why you wouldn’t wanna run Emperor Fitness while being lazy and never working out.

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#535

Perhaps.

If that’s the case I wouldn’t recommend Primal for the job which may sound counter-intuitive. Primal needs some basic seduction patterns/daily routines and paths of manifestation already in place in order to work its magic.

Another example of that very basic framework:

To form those basic patterns/daily routines one needs to have another basic patterns/daily routines in place. Namely, social patterns/daily routines; socializing with people (especially women) on a daily basis.

Now you still can benefit from seduction subs but your progress would be way slower and you would be prone to more recon.

Mental Alchemy is all about smoothing out the whole process, gradually building up your desired patterns. That’s the way we adapt. It’s as simple as that.

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#536

Maybe I am wrong but

Conscious guidance = taking action towards your goal

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#537

Taking action is one form of conscious guidance.

Other forms would be:

  1. Telling your subconscious what you want to accomplish running a certain sub.
    For example : My dear Subconscious, use everything from Paragon you find usefull to heal my back pain.

  2. A Visionboard. Sply show your subconscious what you want to achieve on a daily basis.

  3. Create an inner film or an imaginary journey, in which you see your life unfold in a way you desire. You can write that down beforehand and record it as an audio. You can include in the script which subs help/unfold in which situations, which objectives you see etc.

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#538

Also introspecting, planning and visualizing in order to set proper intents to act upon.

Another thing is recognizing “anti-patterns”, that oppose those patterns that are being created and reinforced, in order to negate them, taking action that counters them.

Anyhow, we’re going off topic, mates.

Primal is said to be a quintessential sub, however, it requires having the basic social-seduction patterns in place.

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#539

I don’t think Primal is a seduction sub, it definitely has a strong seductive flavor but as you know well it’s still a very rounded subliminal that can help clear the weeds and create new healthy pathways of behavior in a wide variety of ways, so I wouldn’t say a seductive foundation is required with this one, quite the opposite, to me Primal is a great entry sub for anyone looking to build a social foundation in any form, with a strong accent on riding the best side of a loose carefree style with confidence :call_me_hand:

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#540

Can’t argue with that.

However, the whole discussion started with clearly “seduction” goals, which is bedding women in its essence, set by someone who’s obviously having a hard time getting laid. In that case, Primal isn’t an optimal approach, imo. Primal is diving into the sex and seduction world and not gradual immersion:

It (Primal) embeds within you the psyche of a man whose life is an anthology of rich, diverse narratives, embodying the wisdom of one who has known the company of a thousand high-quality women.

That’s kinda rough for someone who can’t get laid without subs.

I would rather recommend running Ascension and SSX first, unless there were also some blockages and traumas standing in the way to forming effective seduction patterns. Then, perhaps, KB and Rebirth or LD - depending on the nature of the blockages, naturally.

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#541

I second running KB with Primal, it’s what I’m running and I can attest that KB is helping massively with processing and fueling the primal expression.

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#542

My recommendation was really generic and I would be really careful recommending anything to anyone as one needs to recognize themselves their own patterns and paths of manifestation, and pick subs that align with both in order to build upon them, expanding their framework and transgressing their comfort zones.

My recommendation on not running Primal was based on the assumption that the person in question has a really hard time getting laid and is somewhat socially inept (as that’s the usual reason people don’t get laid, apart from “Netflix seducers” lol).

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#543

what is that ？ :smiley:

#544

Guys who use dating apps to ask women to come over to their place in order to “watch Netflix” together. The most pathetic sort but it works with some women. I would say they’re the antithesis of the Primal man.

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