Main Disc. Thread - The NEW Ecstasy of Gold (2025 - Now Available!)

First of all, while this thought-experiment from Saint might look like a question, to me it’s actually an answer.

Look at the way Saint describes the person’s situation and background.

Simply taking the time to breathe, have a deliberate look around, and then describe the primary features of your situation, your desires and motivations, your values is going to lead to an enhanced process both of choosing and running/executing the subliminals.

The person above has many possible options, in my opinions. I would look at his characteristics, his resources, and his obstacles.

His resources are his knowledge base, his credentials, his awareness of his values and passions. His capacity for and interest in innovation.

His main obstacle as I see it is:

It’s just a lack of experience/awareness. Not a bad obstacle at all, in my opinion. He basically just needs to do a search. As soon as he gets a taste of the most workable business structure that fits well with his values and interests, he’ll be up and ready to go. His skills, knowledge, work ethic, and training are already in place.

So he needs to make a grounded exploration; a practical search through the options and possibilities that exist (or can exist) in the market. This means that he’ll need internal equanimity and balance to sustain a proper search (a desperate person jumps to grab the first good-seeming option even if it’s the wrong one). He needs the vision and acumen to perceive and recognize attractive work contexts and to understand how they work. Strong vision will actually also really help with maintaining equanimity out in the market. He needs self-belief, to take his gifts, ideas, and projects seriously even before they are recognized and validated by others.

So a combination of mature, balanced patience, vision, and self-belief are going to be crucial for this 22-year-old. To not be overly influenced by peer pressure and FOMO.

That’s sort of the ‘spiritual’ core of what he needs in my opinion, all in the context of financial business judgment, confidence, and development.

But my final recommendations to him would also have to take into account his personality and personal/interpersonal style and preferences.

I think a lot of people will post their goals on here, but often people do not post their underlying strategy preferences for meeting those goals.

If the above 22-year-old in question were me, I would suggest that he run Revelation of Wealth first.

After that, maybe I’d just keep things simple and use Genesis: Mogul and Stark.

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EoG is really testing my resolve to run single stack RoW.

The above conversation makes me want to jump on St1 so bad…

I mentioned practising assertiveness in an another thread by sticking to a decision. This is one of the rare times I’m really questioning my decision.

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I would argue you just did that! Perception change is IMO the biggest part of manifestation. Your example is (as always) an excellent metaphor for it.

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This is not the case. No agenda here. Just me wanting to know what I consider important product aspects for me.
The main question was whether RICH-like manifestations are also included in the new EoG?
Because you said EoG is aimed at being the “most complete wealth title”, so it would make sense to have quick money manifestations to also be part of it. It is not written in the copy but important for me to know.

Because:

Yes, that is what I was absolutely expecting that this product does too.
Because other titles are already doing that.
Let me give you some examples:

I run RICH ZP V1 or V2 – literally money from unexpected sources manifests:

  • people paying me back more than they should
  • government pays money back
  • I put stuff up for sale for very high prices and it manifests people who buy it
  • I find money bills on the street
  • Seemingly lost customers (in my sales job) suddenly coming back to place their orders
  • I run Khan St 1 ZP V1 – I get a 14k raise at my job
  • etc.

I think with RICH alone I manifested more than 20k over the past 3 years, without lifting a single extra finger and from unexpected sources and circumstances. Zero skills and almost zero extra action were required from my side for this.

So wouldn’t it make sense to have this type of additional manifestation scripting to be also in EoG? That’s what I wanted to know the whole time.

I understand that EoG is focussed on skills, mindset and tools and I wanted to know whether crazy manifestations like RICH are also part of it.
Skills, mindset and tools for the longterm wealth and crazy manifestations are for shortterm daily success and momentum.

Thank you for confirming.

I consider this one of the most important features of the product, therefore yes, I wish it would have been spelled out for me.

By not mentioning this feature, I think you are underselling what this is capable of and also I was not the only one who wanted to know this.
Most other wealth titles had a lot written about manifestations in their product descriptions and with the new EoG copy it was suddenly missing.

I can only speak for myself and for me I do need to be pointed out what a product does and how it is different from similar products.

If an important product feature is not mentioned in the sales copy, then I assume it is not in there.

This has nothing to do with how advanced a product is, but about missing crucial product information in the description.

You are the authors of these titles, so you fully know what is in there, but I think you should not expect every customer to automatically be able to correctly guess all the features of a title if they are not written out.

It is not me who is too dumb to understand something, the Alchemist Singularity copy made perfect sense to me. It is simply that when it is not clearly written there, then it can mean anything and then I don’t want to fill that empty void with my assumptions and projections of what it could mean or not mean. I need to have that clarity please.

Interesting that you mention this, because last week I went back from WB to the original WANTED after realizing that WB is still too advanced for me. This realization came from reading the forum tips here.

Besides results, I am here to shorten my stack.
If RICH-like manifestations are also included in EoG, then I do not need to run 2 titles at the same time.

This was never my question. I never questioned the skills part of the product. I absolutely agree that those new skills will lead to long-term massive wealth.

Since other titles can do that, my question was whether EoG can do this additionally as well. Nothing else was my question.

Yes.
But I think what most people don’t realize is that this “something that you provide” is not limited to tangible products and services.
Value can be created and is being created on so many levels, even on subconscious emotional level ones.
ASBR gave me a lot of realizations about value.

(You can create value for humanity through “invisible” underlying structures and by this have “invisible manifestation channels”, hence how then money can come to you “out of thin air”. This is how “universe conspires for you” type of manifestations happen. It is not just skills and tools, but your subconscious mind orchestrating everything in the background. This “orchestrating” is also able to provide value to others on a subconscious level (!), hence how “the universe” sooner or later “will pay you back” for it (advanced esoteric concept). Value can be created on so many more levels than what people usually think off and currently I am working on leveraging these mechanics.)

As written in Saint’s “V is for Value” guide:

“Experience is value.”

And this is absolutely true in my experience.
The value that you provide is the experiences that you can trigger in others.

Yes. This. Thank you.

Yes. This. Thank you.

Thank you. That means my bank account is not imagining these results and I am not the only one who has had regular “money falling from the sky” events happening.

If this would be the case, I would then simply run both, EoG and RICH.
Just like I do now.
To cover the long-term and short-term.
I want to be rich long-term but also have to eat and live today.

Yes. Also this.

If I walk down the street, the same path I am always walking, and suddenly find a 50 € bill on the ground, then I have manifested it without taking any extra action or any different type of action.
It is a synchronicity.
It is not me suddenly being better in the skill of “finding money on street”.
So manifestations definitely also work without the need to learn new skills.

But as mentioned, I think both are important, the skills and the manifestations.
All I wanted to know is whether I can remove RICH from my stack and just run EoG and still receive those types of manifestations.
Thanks.

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I think another point that might not yet be recognized or that might be getting overlooked is this:

By building the subliminals in the way that they currently are building them, Saint and Fire are giving you MORE options, not less.

You get to choose which of the functions and how much of the functions are expressed.

Where you focus and engage attention, desire, and action is where you will experience amazing growth (and of course this is not restrictive or absolute; there are always going to be many amazing surprises and fortuitous developments along the way).

But the ZPU approach means that major store programs are giving you some of the value that we often associate with custom subliminals.

Think about it.

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Here goes!

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Want to manifest money? Try this experiment.

Play your Ecstasy of Gold sub.

Now, focus your own mind on the possibility of creating and connecting with flows of wealth and income.

Nothing special. No strain. Don’t give yourself hemorrhoids.

Just focus on the possibility of discovering and connecting to opportunities. No big deal.

Do your own experiment.

If nothing happens, what did you lose?

But when has ‘nothing’ ever ‘happened’?

Keep your mind and attention open for possibilities.

No big deal. Nothing stupid. Just attention.

See what happens.

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This is really simple. The subs work—run them, take the right actions, make money, and enjoy life.

Why are we even having this conversation? :man_facepalming:

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If you are having trouble choosing a title because you cannot tell the difference, there’s a line of products out there known as Genesis…

Here’s a cold hard truth, don’t run a title if you can’t tell the difference.

I personally can’t tell the difference in spiritual subs besides RoW, but I’m also not interested in them. I just move on with my life.

Be ruthless on what title will best serve you.

If you want wealth but not sure how
Genesis Mogul.

If you want to be happy which I’m pretty sure is the point of running subs in the first place, pick Genesis: Joy and Happiness

If you have no idea where to even begin there’s the original Genesis.

If you want an introduction into romance subs, you cannot go wrong with Primal.

“The Genesis line of products is designed to help you uncover the true essence of your life’s purpose, navigating through the maze of life’s endless possibilities. These products offer not just clarity but a profound understanding of your unique journey, equipping you with the tools and insights needed to carve out a path that resonates deeply with your innermost aspirations and values.”

Let these subs guide you to your next steps and titles.

A for the love of all that is holy, do not complain if you are not taking action of the specific sub you are running. The copy tells you how to take action if you sit back and think on it.

If you don’t think it does, you are not ready for that sub.

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Come on, let’s not pile on.

It’s at its core a (now cleared up) misunderstanding rooted in a change of semantics.

That can happen, especially in an international community like SC.

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Threads of an opportunity

  • a relative one of my uncles introduced me to one of his friends . He is working on whole sale who has company that brings products from abroad and sell it to the hotels here .

  • he have sort of team of sales and he wants someone to follow up and be responsible for the office in my city . That’s my understanding from the little 2 calls I have with him .

  • he will arrive at the city within 4 days and I will meet him …

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And so much more.

K4 is in my custom and after 2 cycles and a rebuild last week, it’s effects are so much more prominent.

Today was a perfect example. I was walking, in non construction apparel around my local metropolis and the following happened in a 30 minute span of time.

  1. A younger woman decides to fluff and display her long hair as she’s walking by.

  2. A foreign woman asks me for directions because she can’t understand her map app.

  3. While walking down the subway platform, another foreign man asked me if a certain subway train was arriving.

  4. I got on the subway and sat down. Then an older women got on the train and proceeded to sit next to me and just before she did, she asked me if it was the subway train she thought it was.

What does all of this have to do with Khan 4?

The young lady was doing a very primal form of flirting, displaying her healthy long hair. How do I know? Experience. It was exaggerated almost like a Disney Princess.

As for all the people asking for directions, today I accepted that when you look like you know where you are going and you know your way around, people treat you that way.

Khan has a way of bringing out the you who belongs anywhere you are.

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EoG recon is really just a different and longer phase of processing. Now on Washout Day 2 working on all the deeply ingrained and normally most painful wealth topics.

It will take quite some time to get them out. But there is no pain, no FUD at all.

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What are you running?

I ran EoG St. 1 with 2 customs last cycle.

Coming cycle it will be part of the business custom:

THE SUDDEN LIGHTING OF NISHIKI KAMURO v4

I. Renaissance Man: Ultimate Writer X Core
II. Nouveau RICH Core
III. The Ecstasy of Gold Stage 1 Core
4. New Fame Experience Core
5. Synergy: Divine Dominion
6. Synergy: Carpe Vitam
7. MDFY: One Goal
8. Fortune’s Favorite
9. Treasure Finder
10. Free Pass
11. Polyglot
12. The Feedback Loop
13. MDFY: Together
14. Flowing Freely

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Repeat lines.

Another thing that I suspect people might be forgetting is that

The New Ecstasy of Gold is a New Subliminal Experience program.

Review what that means and think about it.

When you feel confused or in doubt, go back to the program copy and just read it again. You will notice new details and get new insights every time.

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Yes, I can confirm this.
The second time I read, I discovered Worthiness Recalibration. I’ve probably read it the first time but I didn’t understand how big this is for me.
The third time I noticed new details in Embracing small Manifestations, probably because I already experienced it to a certain degree, so my mind was able to interpret the copy with a broadened horizon.

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I know this thread has already been derailed a bit but I wanted to ask about this.

What have you seen with ZP as far as people’s capacity to handle 3 titles? Or even 2? Does the average person have the ability to do that? Or are people who are able to integrate 2 or 3 titles more outside the bell curve so to speak? In an ideal world yeah we’d all be able to self assess, but it’s nice to have data points sometimes. I sometimes wonder if what you’ve stated here with 1 title at a time would be better for me but I’ve never tried it because it always feels like my stack is interconnected in some way and the presence of some titles helps aspects of another one. But I also use micro loops a lot, so I’ve come to understand my mind doesn’t quite process these subs like some other people.

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Start with one title at a time. See how you process that then determine it from there.

Everyone handles these differently. You have to find the sweet spot for you.

Attempting to stack too many programs will ultimately lead to hard recon and stagnation of goals and an overall negative experience that people then blame on the subs when it really comes down to not following instructions.

Some people have life-altering changes listening to these subs for five minutes or less once a week and other people run full loops twice to three times a week and burn out.

Take your time. Enjoy the ride.

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