Main Disc. Thread - The NEW Dragon Reborn RED

[James]

@WinglissStark

What should be the next step once this is achieved?

Cry???

[Nipunharry]

Any other sub that can be stacked with DRRED ???

Any one who has tried to stack khan black or emperor or genesis with this

[Parsifal]

Official stacking recommendation

Stacks well with: Alchemist, Sanguine, Emperor

[WinglissStark]

Some emotions are so strong that you don’t want to admit them so crying is out of option, partly because of poor emotional skills.

[Nemesis]

Not really had any recon yet. If I could experience any recon it would be in the form of introspection of my negative thoughts for example any arguments with my parents or friends I just think about how pointless or silly it would be and let it go.

I will keep incremental loops going by 10 seconds each time until I hit the heavy seas of recon. But so far so good

[James]

Rebellious Self Love

A new journal for a new chapter with Dragon Reborn Red and Love Bomb. Seems as though in a world so focused on acknowledgement , likes, approval , and external validation that the most rebellious act possible is to truly love oneself .

[Niles]

Once you get triggered, my approach is to let the emotion be there, don’t try and push it away or hold it close, then right after that I try to feel completely aware/be the awarness (this distances you away from the emotion and helps you realize that you are not them and they have nothing to do with you) I also try to sense where in the body that is being held, and visualize it opening up and releasing; like a gas valve opening or a knot unraveling.

[Detective_L]

That’s a great name for the journal, @James.

[MajorVic]

@Fire @SaintSovereign
How much can Phoenix achieve in comparison with DR red? In long term run, can Phoenix clear a person sufficiently enough, so there won’t be need for dragon reborn?

I know it’s single stage vs 4 and also experiences can vary, just curious how phoenix and dr stand in comparison generally speaking.

[SaintSovereign]

It’s the same dynamic with any single stage versus a multistage. The multistage covers more ground, over a longer period of time and thus will help you spark deeper growth. Phoenix is a remarkable title, but when it comes to which will give you more results, a multistage always wins out.

[Jouissance]

@James

@Lion Now I’m curious what the difference is between " inner child" and " Shadow" work. Maybe @Sub.Zero can give some insight

Inner Child

The inner child is a structure inside our conscious minds, or… if you’d prefer… asubconscious mind-process that you can access consciously.

It is a personification and reanimation of your past self. Literally yourself at 3-6 years old, when you’ve only just first started to take on concepts of self/other. Before a certain age… about 1.5 years old, young children suffer something called Temporal Permanence, where they literally think that things that are not within their field of vision do not exist… this applies to humans and family members as well, meaning, if their parents aren’t in eyesight for even a second, the child will think that they’re alone and have been all their lives.

This obviously creates a sense of abandonment.

So the “Inner Child” is a visualization that you create of your 5 year old self, and in that personified visualization you place all the unmet needs of your child, all the pain, the anger, the frustration he was too young to understand and express. Inner Child work is a genre of processes where you allow that Child to be his highest self, and have selfish needs, have true pain, have a childlike love for the world and a burning desire for some joyful activity that he wants to do more than anything else (play, run, jump, dance, sing, etc.) with child-like abandon.

The process would then involve forgiving your inner child for anything that he did and telling him it wasn’t his fault, he was only a kid. It would involve apologizing that there was noone there to protect him. It would involve giving him permission to fully live in his joy as much as he wants. It’s a series of questions meant to unearth represssed wants/needs/desires, it’s a series of apologies that heal past pains/regrets, and it’s a series of intentions about how the “Adult You” will act differently to give the “Child You” the experiences he always wanted.

It can also involve things like empathizing with that visualized child as the child tells the Adult You all the things they’re hurt about, so that you can bring your caring, adult wisdom to the situation and say “I hear you,” and “Let’s go say what we wish we said back then to ____ together.”

You get a reconnection to childhood joy, a new outlook on the subconscious pain that could have been lingering for a lifetime due to unprocessed emotions relating to your parenting, and on a more front-of-mind level you start to become aware that there’s a less mature, less resilient, less disciplined “Child” in yourself (which is basically your needs/wants/desires/pains/joys, just personified) that needs to be honoured by being listened to, acknowledged, cooperated with, and sometimes indulged and sometimes disciplined/restrained.

It’s a very self-love focused practice, too, so a great sub for it is actually LB, even if that’s not directly mentioned.

My interpretation of “A mature inner child” from DR-RED isn’t a child that’s deprived of joy, as joy and being able to feel positive emotions is very mature… DR-RED’s “mature child” would be one who doesn’t let unmet needs and desires cause temper tantrums in daily life, and who is able to ask for what it needs like “I really want to take a break” but also is willing to delay gratification, make sacrifices, think selflessly, and be able to hear “no.”

(I also just found out from this video that Inner Child work is ALSO a jungian concept… fascinating… he had a massive impact… wow.)

5 Signs You Have a Wounded Inner Child (How to Heal)

Reparenting Our Inner Child

Shadow Work

Shadow Work, on the otherhand, is a very jungian concept, which is what I’m engaging in a lot of right now while running Khan Stage 1.

It’s less complicated. It’s just getting really, brutally, ugly honest about the lies you tell yourself, and then telling yourself the truth you wish wasn’t true.

Those lies are the “Shadow” you hide from yourself. They’re called Shadows because you can never catch them, but you can also never run away from them, and most importantly, they’re the darkest part of yourself (that you normally never acknowledge.)

They’re usually things that you think are “taboo” so you reject that you would even do them or think them. Wanting to cheat. Hating someone. Chronically lying. Most people’s issues aren’t solving these issues… they’re easy to stop once you realize you’re doing them… but people run into an issue of having these shadow thoughts and denying they’re even having them.

Just as an example, realizing you’ve been acting out of hatred and jealousy towards someone when you’ve been telling yourself this whole time “you’re happy for them” is a realization typical of Shadow work.

Then you’d consciously process those emotions, why you’re jealous of them, how you’ve been lashing out at them, what the real “shadow” is that’s causing this all to happen, etc.

Just as an example, someone might realize they’re actually jealous of a person because of 2-3 beliefs. One, a belief that they’ll never be successful because there is something wrong with them… & Two, what’s wrong with them is that “they’re not smart” and (3) they think intelligence is fixed and can’t be changed/improved. They’d process each individually as well as process how they have combined to create problems in thought and behavior.

Carl Jung - The Power of Knowing Your Dark Side (Written by Eternalised)

[Uber_Elysium]

Loop 2 in the books and today has been on of the smoooothest days in a long time. No anxiety, not worrying about the future, and just being full blown present in the moment. I know not all days are going to be like this on this journey but damn do I feel good today.

Even noticed some slight changes in my behavior in smaller interactions with others, best way to put it is that I can tell parts of me is maturing and starting to execute.

[AlfaX]

Quick question is one is about to start the old version of DR stage 4 could you switch to ST4 RED or do you need to start all over?

[Lion]

Brilliant post, @Jouissance. Thank you.

[Lion]

@AlfaX

Quick question is one is about to start the old version of DR stage 4 could you switch to ST4 RED or do you need to start all over?

You could do DRR4 but if you want the best results, you need to start from DRR1. This is cause all the stages have been rewritten from scratch.

What you can do is try DRR4 and if it feels off or too much, start from DRR1.

[James]

@Jouissance I’m curious where ego fits into all of that?

[SwagKing]

Love I Ching

[oloy]

Relevant post to the topic:

@SaintSovereign

Castle 2 has a gate that can be easily lifted by turning a handle. The gate is guarded by well-trained soldiers who strongly vets everyone that goes in or out of the castle. Once the “guard” says it’s okay, resources and information can be readily brought in and unloaded. This is the kind of defense that DR builds.

[Jouissance]

@James

@ouroboros I’m curious where ego fits into all of that?

I really try not to ever use the word “ego” and instead, always find the word that more accurately describes what I’m trying to explain.

The problem with “ego” is that it’s been adopted and/or filtered by so many different schools of thought that it’s impossible to really pin down a true meaning of the word without disregarding another completely valid, but oftentimes only casually connected, version of the word.

Take this phrase

“Watch your ego, bro.”

Well?

If you’re a westerner out clubbing, that means “you’re way too cocky and you need to learn humility before I teach it to you, bro.”

If you’re into Jungian psychology, that same phrase means “You should really take a look at your unconscious biases and how they’re affecting your assessment of this situation, bro.”

If you’re into Freudian psychology, that means “I don’t know what’s wrong with you, but you’re either A) a carnal monster that only lives for sex and drugs, or B) a total sheep who lives completely for others, bro.”

If you’re into oriental-collectivist schools of thought, that SAME PHRASE means “You’re really letting your selfish interests get in the way of the interests of the collective, the community, your family…”

If you’re Christian, it means “You’re too prideful and need to realize you are nothing without god.”

So… it’s tough to answer “where does Ego fit into all this?”

The only thing they all the Ego definitions have in common is “The Self”, especially the “Surface Level Self That We Can Identity With.”

rant about language

…especially the “Conscious/Aware Self…” (God dang it even “Conscious” and “Ego” have both been adopted by the new age spiritual movement, and popular culture, who have twisted them with their own interpretations of the words…

Ok let’s call it the “self we’re aware of” …

So essentially…

Shadow Work and Inner Child Work relate to the self in that they’re two different types of processes that you can do to understand your “self” (read: ego) better, and, they’re two different ways to imagine two differents parts of your “self” (read: ego) that you can develop a better relationship with, or otherwise leverage to develop better emotional control, and find clarity about who you are and why you do what you do.

Anyways…

This is completely unrelated but scrolling through the “Castle” thread got me reading on why ZP is so individualized and I think this is all beautiful.

@SaintSovereign

It’s a “self-based” approach, though I understand what you mean. It’s like we were saying: the beauty of Zero Point is its contradictory nature of being both so simplistic and yet complex. If we were to show you the scripts, you would wonder how they are capable of creating such profound results, but the secrets behind how it works is what makes it so complex.

@SaintSovereign

It’s why you’re going to see people constantly switching up their stacks and trying new things. You cannot fake authenticity and congruence with Zero Point. If you are running WANTED, but deep down inside, you really just want the perfect mate – a soulmate – you won’t respond like someone who wants to explore and push their sexuality to the extreme.

@SaintSovereign

The traditional affirmation model is exceptionally limiting in this regard because it forces a “one size fits all” approach to everyone. That approach, and those who push it, fail to realize that you’re dealing with overlapping and highly integrated dynamic systems. You are a unique dynamic system, a creative expression of the universe itself. There will be others like you, but there will never be another YOU. How could there be? They say every 10 minutes or so, all of the molecules in your body will be replaced – there will never again (and yes, I know in a continuum of infinite probability, everything is possible) be someone who had those same molecules replaced at the exact same time, molecules that comprised a living, conscious entity.

As dynamic, unique individuals, we create and emanate dynamic systems. Society is one of those systems. We constantly both create and perceive society (as a system), which then influences your mindset (think again of the image of the torus).

Taking all this into consideration, did it ever really make sense to think all people would respond to a script full of static affirmations in the exact same way, and those who failed to respond would be told that they are just fearful of the script?

This is why, with Zero Point, we were bold enough to literally start over from scratch. To sit down, look at all the research we’ve accumulated (and we have YEARS of reports to work from) and just cast aside all of our hard work and say, “maybe we all got it wrong.” We know Qv2 works, and it works well – but what if there were a different way?

Zero Point will demand that same line of critical thought from you. It will relentlessly ask you if what you say you want is REALLY what you want. There’s no way to lie about it, no matter how hard you try, because the subliminal is doing very little. It’s simply an audio file with scripting. YOU are doing the hard work, as your personal reality (and the dynamic reality that emanates from you) is pushed through you, and as the classic lines indicates, it’s not the spoon that bends, it’s you that bends.

[Jouissance]

More on the shadow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhzBo0dZNpY