Main Disc. Thread - Symmetry: Seductress (Now Available!)

Yes, @Akin — this could indeed help.

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What should a masculine gay guy run?

It seems Wanted is very straight-oriented, and for those of us who don’t have or desire feminine traits, it feels that there isn’t a suitable title.

Primal or Primal Seduction?

Those are more for active seduction than for when you want to be pursued.

I did hope Wanted would be more inclusive, and not so locked into straight orientation.

And I don’t resonate with a title such as Seductress.

It does feel like gay fellas get a bit overlooked.

Nevertheless, I’ve made a custom of Wanted + MSF. Yet to run it — could be interesting :blush:

@Akin

I think that @SaintSovereign said something about this kind of issues.

If you cannot trust your own mind and life journey, what scripting could we provide to make you do so? The NSE already has scripting to attempt to help, but ultimately, you are the Zero Point and the proper tool to handle this situation is honest self-reflection and taking action, allowing your issues to rise to the surface for conscious healing.

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Might Khan Black with conscious direction fit the bill? Building and optimizing the flow of sexual energy is essentially supercharging your magnetism, and you in turn become highly attractive to the people/polarities you desire.

I’d recommend revisiting it once it gets updated in alignment with Fire’s initial vision. It’s an all around quality option regardless of sex, gender, or sexual/romantic orientation.

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I think stacking Seductress with ASBR would help you get the results you’re looking for. :heart::pray:

I’ve stacked both for years now and have experienced attracting both male and female attention.

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Probably

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I’m not sure how well this fits with Wanted, since it includes Polarity Healing.

Unless that’s intended to work with the Yin and Yang within each individual — or does it depend on the other person being the opposite sex? @Fire

For the straight-geared scripting, does NAEM attempt to flip the script in the subconscious — to hear “men” every time it reads “women”?

I must admit I’m not convinced this approach avoids issues. It seems more like a patch to correct mismatches, when the sub could just follow one’s own innate sexuality and desire.

I suppose the attraction scripting may be more powerful when it isn’t neutral and identifies the gender it’s directed toward.

I get hit on by both men & women and I’m running Wanted Black… I’d imagine Symmetry: Seductress or Wanted/Black with the respective NAEW/M choice module would be impactful

And I do believe the add-on molecules can shape the core’s trajectory… I ran Khan with wealth modules, not a specifically wealth targeted title, and got out of massive debt

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I think people are missing the issue. If today, you suddenly started wearing fitted blazers, getting a nice hair cut, growing a nice beard, wearing a nice cologne and walking / speaking with confidence and authority, people of all genders are going to flirt with you. People act like they have never heard this occur within society.

So, what do you think is going to happen if you run WANTED and do the same thing, while giving off a very potent, attractive aura? People are going to be attracted to you. People are trying to associate the social term of gender neutral – which has become highly politically charged – with auras, which has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

It’s not even just the aura that’s generating attraction from everyone – it’s just your new, attractive demeanor and the thrill of the chase. This is a common societal occurrence, there is very little we can do against things that occur naturally within the collective.

This is what it already does.

Please refrain from chasing and creating crises that do not exist, everyone. This is a specialized situation that we’re assisting @Akin with. There was no outbreak of an issue like this before, nothing needs to be really “fixed,” and in the few situations where it does occur, there are solutions, as many have already posted.

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Just offering some perspective and feedback as someone wanting to understand how orientation and attraction scripting are handled — not trying to stir debate, just seeking clarity.

Maybe I missed it, but where is that mentioned in the copy?

When I read the description, that isn’t the impression I get.
Not trying to raise issues — it’s just how a gay reader of the Wanted write-up would likely feel.

I suggested more inclusive or neutral language in the hype thread.

The OG Wanted description said:

Gender and Sexual Orientation: Any. While WANTED is mostly aimed at men and written from a male perspective…

That phrasing is a bit vague — does “male perspective” mean heterosexual?

The new version says:

Gender and Sexual Orientation:
Any can run and get most of the benefits, however men and those who desire to attract women will get the most out of it.
If you are a woman wanting to attract men, the better choice is Seductress.

That’s why it can come across as less suited for non-heterosexual males.

Even the Q-Store description reads:

“The core of WANTED Q, a subliminal designed to transform you into a mystifying, enigmatic man that is shrouded in mystery and pursued by women.

So although it technically says “orientation: any,” the wording still feels very straight-oriented and doesn’t give much clarity for users outside that group.

It also raises the question — with the polarity healing scripting, how would that function between two men?
Or is that one of the features that might not apply if non-heterosexual attraction isn’t the primary design focus?

I’m not arguing about this, or nitpicking words. If you use WANTED, you will attract the type of people you’re attracted to. Your opinion on the copy is noted, but does not reflect absolute truth, nor the nature of the script. We have incredible amounts of data on this topic and how it performs in wide groups of people. Our work speaks for itself.

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Thanks! @Metamorphosis @Lion @Goldfinger

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Hey Saint, I really appreciate the time you took to write this response, and I want to say that I truly felt seen — and I could feel the care in your attempt to bring light to the situation. Actually, everything you said made a lot of sense to me. Thank you for clarifying about neutrality.

While I was reading, I also started thinking about my own paradigm and the limitations that were internalized since childhood — things that sometimes automatically cause the sub to manifest in ways beyond what was expected.

I mean, I was reflecting on the very concept and imagery I hold about what it means to be a “seductive woman,” and how that was shaped by the social environment I grew up in. For example, the belief that being “a seductive woman” means “attracting a lot of men” might have manifested during this period. I say that because even some of the music videos I watched at that time — as a way to “translate” or express the excitement from the sub — were in that “Destination Calabria” type of aesthetic, you know? So I imagine that this imagery was also something that existed in my subconscious, even though consciously I don’t want to perform that role in that way.

But I don’t know — some things really are a struggle for me. Especially when it comes to these concepts and paradigms that are so deeply rooted that, even when the conscious mind receives a positive input, there’s still a kind of “distortion” (that happens within the person themselves) in the manifestation of something that, theoretically, should be straightforward.

It’s a big dilemma, really — and here’s where it becomes philosophical for me: how can I genuinely dismantle these core beliefs or shift such deeply ingrained paradigms so that I can live fully what I truly want? I keep wondering if there’s a way to work through them — because sometimes I can clearly identify these beliefs, yet they persist, subtly shaping my reality even after I’ve become aware that they exist. It’s like accessing the “yes” to change on a much deeper level. I’m not sure if it’s possible to fully understand what I mean.

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Maybe a bold proposition, but I would imagine that Khan Black could help.
What you’re describing sounds to me like trauma in or around your sexual identity.
That’s the topic for KB1:
Healing sexual trauma, be it negative experiences, core believs, whatever.

Healing this might help you find security and steadiness subconsciously.

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So what stands out to me in your post here is how similar this is to the description of seductress on the main store. Maybe you’re already working at it on a deeper level and it hasn’t manifested outwards yet?

But it’s true. Women are told both through subconscious messages and pretty overt ones that their attractiveness is their worth and those messages most often come from men. I think it’s almost impossible not to internalize these messages as a woman. I think that might hold even more true if you didn’t get enough parental support, it can leave a big hole for those insecurities to flood into.

My thoughts on this. With stuff like that so deeply rooted I think it’s kind of difficult to dismantle it if you don’t have the new experience to go with it. It’s like the mind will keep referencing back to the most prominently learned things, even if they aren’t the ones you want.

As for subs, I recently started using Phoenix again and I’ve found reframing the past is really powerful to break away from that pull. More so than direct attempts at healing or getting into belief work. You could maybe try that too to see if it helps?

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