@SaintSovereign what might happen if someone wanted to make a custom with Seductress Core; Symmetry: Helen of Troy Core; AND Helen of Troy?
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This looks amazing 
Iām definitely gonna have to get this for future listening.
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Baby spartans and baby Helens 
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This may be more of a support question, but itās been on my mind for a while with LoTS and now HoT so I thought Iād put it in this thread incase thereās any lurkers too.
Before I write this as this could be a controversial topicā¦ and personally Iād prefer it wasnāt debated as I know some of you may disagree with the whole non-binary topic. Please donāt make this political. I just want an answer due to confusion.
LotS and HoT say something along the lines of:
LoTS: Men only. Trans men.
HoT: For women or those who desire to look like women.
To keep it short, a friend of mine struggles with their gender identity - Iād assume theyāre non-binary who expresses more masculine traits/looks but also feminine (less so than the masculine).
Iād assume HoT should be the title theyāre pointed in the direction of since thereās females with a male look, but itās the fact theyāre in the middle of everything gender wise so Iām a little confused on what they should run since they workout etc.
Any suggestions?
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Spartan has āanyā listed for the gender.
I believe it also has (light) physical shifting and will help your friend train better/harder.
Might be the uncontroversial go-between without having to choose either the masculine or feminine aesthetic since they identify as non-binary.
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A potential cosmic union of the divine masculine and the divine feminine, leading to enlightenment.
This is a profound topic.
Also, perhaps this could be further clarified on the product pages for consistency (@SaintSovereign and @Fire):
Now I would wonder a few things.
Since LotS and HoT are physical, I would encourage your friend to think about how they might want to look.
HOWEVER if they are struggling or unsure, this might be something they would want to clarify first before using something that is body morphing.
Perhaps something like Genesis might help them clarify that. (This is definitely a support ticket question.)
[As a side note, there are people who want to look androgynous. The singer from the 80s band āDead or Aliveā (Peter Jozzeppi Burns) had a number of cosmetic surgeries because he wanted to look androgynous.]
There are other body morphing approaches they could take that are not gender specific. As examples, EF or Spartan could help your friend be more lean and/or muscular. There are also the SPS/APS modules, as well as Serum X. Also I didnāt see anything about gender for: Apollon, Physical Shifter Sexiness, Facial Morphing, and Sensuality & Handsomeness Improver.
Another thing to consider possibly is how a title might impact the personās fertility. For example, if your friend was born with XY chromosomes and ran HoT, would that effect their fertility?
Over all, I would encourage your friend to give it some serious thought about how they want to physically look, and impacts on fertility. Also contact support for guidance, perhaps regarding if Genesis might help them clarify and/or which titles might be best for them to use regarding physical changes.
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Also, and this is a very advanced and detailed topic, their chromosomes or ādiagnosedā sex status might also be a factor. As examples, Klinefelter syndrome (XXY), Turner syndrome (X0), and gynandromorphism. (Often these are not discussed or known about in the general population.)
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My wify is 
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SaintSovereign had recommended against stacking WANTED and Legacy of the Spartan since they are both physical shifting titles having overlaps in the shifting. The same case could be made for Seductress and Symmetry: Helen of Troy.
That being said, @RockyHandsome got great results stacking WANTED and Legacy of the Spartan so maybe some ladies will experience something similar when they combine the female equivalents of those titles.
My advice would be to stick to Symmetry: Helen of Troy for faster physical shifting for a while. And then replace it with Seductress to maintain that physical state of sexiness and also gain the extra benefits from Seductress.
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Both have physical shifting, but Symmetry is focused SOLELY on it. No seduction at all. So, it all depends on what your wifeās goals are. Iād stick with the custom you already made.
A bunch of recon and lack of results, lol. Really no real reason to do this. You can do Symmetry and maybe Seductress if you want the sexual / feminine auras and the such. Donāt throw Helen of Troy in.
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thank you my friend! I saw the post yesterday morning thanks to you and it made my whole month being able to see HoT come out. Furthermore, Im happy you remembered me enough to tag me for it
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kind of my friend! The second I found out itās out, I left the forum with a smile on my face and went about my day enjoying and imagining the image of running it very soon.
This is a sub I know I will run long term and so Iām very grateful for all of this. Words didnāt seem necessary at that moment. I really appreciate subclub and all who make it so great.
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thank you
Well, HoT has scripting regarding things like increasing breast size, smooth soft skin, etc. If thatās what they want, run HoT. Otherwise, go with LotS.
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