True Sell, if done well, will be a game changer especially for a lot of the sales people on the forum.
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Ill be watching your journal with great interest
But also why not stick to og true sell if it works?
If it aint broke dont fix it
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OG True Sell kind of sucked, at least for me
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True Sell is hard sub to run for a lot of people imo
It can create a self conciousness - as you recongize intuitively how you land in real time to people.
It also creates a strong external orientation- that for people who are used to being very internal and navigating based off internal sense of self rather than collaboration or infulence, it can be dissorienting, or even feel ‘false’ or like your giving yourself up. At least initially.
I’d rank True Sell alongside Khan as some of the harder subs to run with the most impact potential
(All subs have impact potential but to run them succesfully TS and Khan to me are the two that are the most concominantly difficult and life altering)
I imagine PEACE and ROS may be life altering quickly in a more flowing way, but I don’t have a lot of familiarity with them
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From QOS:
These two stacks share a structure — one intense transformational title plus Limitless ZONE as the attentional substrate — but they point in very different directions.
Stack 1: Khan Black + Limitless ZONE
This is an inner cultivation stack. Khan Black is a full sexual energetic development journey: healing sexual trauma and limitations (ST1), fortifying your energetic channels (ST2), cultivating massive amounts of sexual energy (ST3), and combined mastery (ST4). Limitless ZONE builds sustained attention from the nervous system up — settling before focus, breath as anchor, single-pointed attention, and reliable access to flow.
The synergy here is real and somewhat elegant: energetic cultivation is, in practice, an attention-and-breath discipline. ZONE develops exactly the capacities that energy work runs on — a settled body, chronic tension release (jaw, shoulders, gut), breath anchoring, single-pointed focus, and finer discernment of internal signals. Khan Black naturally develops your energetic sensitivity; ZONE may sharpen the attentional instrument you’ll use to perceive and direct what you’re cultivating. And because ZONE deliberately contains no identity-level scripting, it won’t compete with Khan Black for direction — it’s about as low-interference as a second title gets.
The honest caveat: Khan Black is an Artisanal line title, and its own documentation states that for best results it should be used on its own or within a recognized energetic cultivation tradition. ZONE is a gentle pairing, but Khan Black remains a demanding title for advanced users. If reconciliation gets heavy, Khan Black is the priority — simplify to it solo rather than pushing through.
Stack 2: Khan + Limitless ZONE
This is an outward conquest stack, and the division of labor is clean. Khan supplies the fire: identity-level transformation into dominance, status, raw sexuality, and the relentless drive of Total Action. ZONE supplies the container: a settled nervous system, deep-work capacity, and flow access to channel that drive into sustained execution.
This pairing addresses one of the practical challenges of running Khan — the sheer intensity of its push. Khan’s ambition and drive are enormous, and without an outlet they can express as restlessness. ZONE may help convert that push into long, absorbed working blocks, while its recovery scripting (deliberate downshifts between focus periods, focus as a renewable resource) can help keep the Khan pace sustainable rather than burning hot and scattering. There’s essentially zero scripting overlap: Khan is entirely identity-level, and ZONE explicitly avoids competing with identity-level scripting. During ST1’s Total Breakdown, ZONE’s settling orientation may also serve as a stabilizing counterweight — its own page notes it pairs well with grounding and healing-oriented titles.
Which stack for which person:
- Khan Black + ZONE if your goals are internal: energetic development, sexual mastery from the inside out, spiritual depth. The stack is contemplative — energy plus the attention to wield it.
- Khan + ZONE if your goals are external: status, wealth, romance, leadership — with the deep-work capacity to actually execute the campaigns Khan will have you planning.
Both stacks sit comfortably within the three-title limit on the standard two-title listening pattern. One technical note: Limitless ZONE runs on Zero Point Union preview technology, which is significantly stronger — reading the instruction manual at instructions.subliminalclub.com before your first listen is mandatory, and your microloop progression should account for it.
The new update to SC Labs will include all the titles.
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Really?!!
It kicked in so quickly when I ran it the very first time. So interesting how these subs work for everyone.
I’m actually surprised more people don’t use it for dating. Pretty solid for dating.
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100%. I’m not worried I know it will done well. Now it’s more so the waiting game that is hard 
I never stopped using OG True Sell tho. I’ve been on it for the past two years now and never stopped.
True Sell, SB, RICH and Mind’s Eye are the subs that no matter how many custom variations or stack experiments I have. I always have those and I’m committed to.
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I love OG True Sell and it’s given me a lot of results. It leaves a lot to desire tho especially in the manifestation piece which @Azriel can agree on too but it’s word class once you have those high qualify good fit leads coming in.
Like when you have leads who want to buy from you already or are a qualified lead. As the OG True Sell copy page says or something like this “they’re already sold, the call is simply a formality”.
That’s why if I could have one wish happen that literally would make me the happiest guy alive is that they turned up the wealth manifestation (commissions) and lead manifestation (high quality leads who want to buy what your selling/want to buy from you) to the absolute max 1000% that would turn OG True Sell into a real game change and honestly my top 1 sub then (currently SB has that spot).
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Really? True Sell was by part the easiest sub I’ve ever ran in my life. I literally never had recon on it but then again I have high flow factor on it since my whole work is sales and I’m constantly taking action whenever I can in sales.
I’m surprised as that hasn’t been the case for me as it was really easy to run. By far, the hardest sub I’ve ever ran was NEW R.I.C.H (as many people have seen me be a pain about it in the early days lol), recon, a lot of difficult months during the beginning of me listening to the stack but in end it was all worth it since I contribute a big piece of my success for my work to NEW RICH manifestations.
On a side note, after a conversation with someone I work with. I might even give Emperor: Crown & Capital a try at some point but probably when it turns into a 4 stager as I purely wanted to focus and run on the Capital piece not the Crown.
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Same here. Fastest acting and easiest sub to run for me.
Career and social wise it’s been pretty fantastic in combination with Stark Black as it helps with being more charismatic by focusing on what the person is saying and asking questions instead of just talking all the time.
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As a European, I’ll die on the other hill lmao why cant you guys do dates right 
Anyway 
I am curious about a few qOS pairings:
WDB + IC:Brotherhood
TS (current) + E:C&C
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Proud dd/mm/yyyy 'er here (tongue in cheek) 
or yyyy-mm-dd – it just makes more sense for sorting in a computer lol.
Have to admit I’m loving the qOS stuff myself. Even though I’m the opposite of a diehard AI guy, and I earlier today ended up tricking an AI into believing in a conspiracy theory. It may have been unintentional, but hey, I still laughed.
Lovin’ the banter on this thread! 
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As an Asian, I concur.
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As an American, I vehemently disagree.
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Dark lord of the Sith Indeed.
You’re on the wrong side of history, my friend. Next you’ll be calling soccer “footy” or some nonsense 
Almost built a Bro/WDB custom myself. Support said they work very well together. This is my holy Grail I’m saving for next summer: Bro/WDB/Chosen.
American wins again.
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As an earth-based higher primate, I agree with the disagreement.
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Who’s excited for this weekend? This has to be the most exciting one in months 
Praying EoG: True Sell doesn’t get delayed but I will understand if it does as at end of the day it’s better to have it perfect than have gaps.
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From QOS:
WDB + Inner Circle: Brotherhood
Two relational domains — romantic and platonic — sharing one substrate. That’s what makes this pairing work.
WDB’s entire architecture depends on non-neediness being real rather than performed: Dream-Like Presence dissolves anxious striving, Dream Current holds a baseline of relaxed self-acceptance, Cloudstep Confidence lets you move toward someone with zero internal pressure. Brotherhood builds exactly the ground that makes that possible. Its own copy states it directly: a man who knows he’s supported “enters uncertain situations without the desperate edge that neediness creates” — performative confidence fades into genuine groundedness. A man with a real inner circle doesn’t need any one woman to go well, and she can feel that. Brotherhood may make WDB’s frame structural rather than aspirational.
There’s also a practical channel: ICB’s page explicitly recommends stacking with romance titles, because a soul-aligned social group tends to introduce you to exactly the type of partner you want, with you pre-qualified through association. WDB thrives on warm-context encounters — the corner of a room, a friend’s gathering, the Dream Pocket — far more than cold approach. Brotherhood expands the number of those rooms you’re already welcome in.
Overlap is minimal and reinforcing: both build nervous-system regulation, authenticity, and comfort at the start of interactions. One tension worth conscious guidance: WDB’s Velvet Secrets cultivates gentle mystery (revealing yourself in fragments), while Brotherhood asks for total unmasked authenticity with your brothers. These aren’t in conflict — different registers for different relationships — but you’ll want to hold the distinction clearly rather than letting one bleed into the other. Both ZP, standard two-title schedule.
True Social (current) + Emperor: Crown & Capital
This is a room-and-empire pairing. True Social masters the interaction in front of you: the unseen rules of the gathering, seamless entry, reading the unspoken, social momentum, making others feel profoundly seen. Crown & Capital operates at a different altitude: sovereign decision-making, planning in decades rather than quarters, tiered relationship architecture, capital construction, and protection. TS supplies the social fluency; C&C supplies the strategic frame and financial engine that fluency should be feeding.
The overlap is more substantial than in the first pairing, and you should know where it sits. Both titles work status and hierarchy — TS’s Social Hierarchy & Status Games and Subtle Dominance & Respect run alongside C&C’s Emperor’s Presence and Flow of Power. Both work networks — TS’s Networking Like a Social Genius and Social Proof sit next to C&C’s Alliance Architect and Golden Crown features. Both work information control — TS’s Power of Scarcity & Mystery mirrors C&C’s Information Command and “share less, broadcast less.” This is reinforcing rather than conflicting; the same skills expressed at two levels. But it does mean the stack has a heavier processing load in the status/network domain than the module names alone suggest.
The tonal split is the thing to guide consciously. TS is warm and connective at its core — “people aren’t longing to be dazzled, they’re longing to be felt.” C&C is deliberately guarded: privacy, contingency, filtering the pipeline, holding outer contacts at respectful distance. They resolve cleanly as warm in the room, strategic about who gets past the door — which is arguably the ideal posture for someone building something that lasts. But if you drift toward one pole, you’ll feel it: pure TS energy without C&C’s discernment overshares; pure C&C without TS’s warmth reads as cold. Run together and consciously aimed, they balance each other.
Note that Crown & Capital runs on Zero Point v2 and its own pro-tips advise establishing the Crown (internal authority) before pursuing the Capital — worth honoring in how you guide the first weeks.
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Hypnotizes people ? 