Was hesitating to run C&C, too many unwanted social core aspects for me. Seems like Rich + Rich will be exactly what I was looking for. Throw in Executive or Raikov and I’m set for the grind.
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Why not add EMPB? It should have it’s wealth scripting amped with RICH + another core.
Or add the monk mode module?
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Whare is Beyond Executive on the timeline?
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If rich and rich trader are dropping soon then Ascension must be right around the corner right?
I hope theres some pyhsical shifting in there like last time @SaintSovereign
Say, is it possible to get a sneak peek preview on the rest of the Paragon Suite? 
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Yeah, I get that on my end I’ll calibrate my C&C exposure. Rich Trader exposure will probably be the main driver of my stack, and then I’ll adjust C&C depending on what I need. Might also start with RT + WDB alone depending on how I feel.
Or even RT+Limit Destroyer as it was proposed by the support team for my personnal issues (still conditional to reading RT’s copy and making sure it’s appropriate as RT’s not yet out and they don’t know exactly what’s in there).
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What’s Beyond Executive?
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I think he is referring to limitless executive lol.
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Hi @SaintSovereign the module the sexual core in wanted is that available as a q module ?. Could not see it in the store.
Anyone use MP3 Player etc to listen? Trying to get non smart devices
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Waiting for them to come out with the Emperor: Daddy — “Back in my Day” Cassette Edition.
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I’m waiting for the Emperor: Smoke Signal ZP.
Fire to win!
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Do I still have time to get a QTKS with the original RICH before the update, or has that ship sailed?
Or will this be similar enough to previous R.I.C.H that you recommend I wait?
The re-imaging of HOM into C&C has me cognizant that new updates are not just improvements/updates but new subs that may not work the same for me.
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I try to avoid using my mobile as much as possible and I’m also an audiophile, so I do listen on an mp3 player. Well, a kind of hi-fi equivalent of an mp3 player and wired earphones lol, but the principle is the same 
Perhaps the increased sound quality even leads to a tiny improvement in results, who knows? lol
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Same here the amount of IEMs I have, I can’t count.
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Same here, but that’s just because I don’t know how to count 
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Unfortunately, that ship may have sailed. If you are insistent on this, I might be able to do something. Otherwise, I’d say wait for the new R.I.C.H.
Well, first – I disagree that they are “new subs.” They are new technology with more features, far more than what was possible with Qv2 and early ZP. C&C’s feature set is almost 1:1 with what customers asked for in the Emperor: Crown & Capital idea thread, so if it is a “new title,” then that is what everyone requested. But as far as I am concerned – especially in lieu of an individual giving credit to C&C’s assistance in closing 700k deal on the C&C thread, I am less concerned with “feel” rather than results.
Now this “warmth” that some are saying does not exist within C&C, I would argue that it is rather unfamiliarity with a much more potent title – and with the adaptive scripting, the user has greater control over its expression. You choose which elements you want to consciously develop. There are two forms of Inner Circle in C&C, and the legacy scripting can be easily guided toward familial lines – as someone else mentioned.
HoM was always about legacy wealth building, this side effect of it increasing sales through “warmth” was never quite intended nor was it a selling point for HoM. For that, this “warmth” would be better suited for EoG: True Sell – exactly where you’ll find an exceptional amount of rapport scripting. The Emperor line itself is known for having somewhat of a “cold” feel to it, as detachment and dominance were always mainstays of the Emperor line, and is even included in its tagline:
Assert your dominance and carve your path to glory with the Emperor Series — where the will of steel meets the art of empire conquest. Tailored for the indomitable spirit that thrives on the raw pursuit of success, this product line is a forge for the unyielding and the brave, charting a course through the untamed wilderness of empire building. Command the room, seize the lands, and expand your territory with an iron grip and a strategist’s mind.
I am unsure why we’d look at that tagline and expect warmth and softness. Emperor is what it is, and C&C most certainly fits that description.
So this position that these are “new titles,” as if they are not honoring the old is not quite true. This is rather a restructuring of the features into the proper titles where they belong. From a feature standpoint, C&C is far more effective within the sales industry than HoM was – side effects not included.
And we do this to make it easier for an individual to understand what title they could use to achieve their goals. In this case, EoG: True Sell is proper title for warmth and rapport, or something like Daredevil: True Social – and not necessarily Emperor: C&C. It is a powerful title that can serve as a driving engine for everything else and just looking at the results on the C&C page, is helping to generate far better results than HoM did if we’re looking at things collectively.
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Oh god. I’m about to fall down this rabbit hole again lol
I like this, since starting C&C I feel much more like an Emperor.
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Thank you, and I appreciate that. I can ping you outside of this, but I am leaning towards trusting the new RICH will be way better for my use case
I think C&C is a better sub for its intended goal. It’s a better, more powerful sub.
It’s less compatible with my role or as a direct HOM replacement than I expected. So let me be clear, I am having trouble running it at this time for my role and purposes. I see in every way why it’s superior to its indended goal
I’m speaking, given my personal concerns for my situation, and as a user, the sub experientially is unrecognizable to HOM.
(Others are citing their experience on this as well. As stated, it’s not a bad thing, but it’s very different. I won’t tag them, but they can speak for themselves as well.)
This is about choosing what works for me, which is a vastly different direction from HOM as I am experiencing it, both subjectively and metrically (see below). My concerned was for titles showing up as vastly different in my experience in a way that disrupts something that has worked extremely well for me.
Not a critique on the direction chosen, but my attempt to be responsible for an evolution that may not include me.
While I care about subjective experience, my main focus is on results.
I’m talking metric results as well. Everything I do is measured in lead quantity, lead quality (metrically analyzed through my company) , calls held, calls cancelled, calls reached, revenue, revenue per client, it all shows up as personal income, and it’s compared against other sales representatives given the shared landscape.
For me personally, every metric I have has tanked since switching to C&C - and it’s gotten worse, and the entire team has gotten signficantly better. I’m working and grinding signficantly harder to meet weekly metrics, even though I’ve been outperforming everyone on all metrics for over a year. It’s progressively gone down every week. I moved into microloops starting week 2, and changed nothing else with my stack. As part of that decrease in everything. My experience on calls is signficantly more challenging, and signficant less access to my own ‘sales brilliance’. I can subjectively feel the qualitative difference in the approaches on sales as easily as I can tell the difference talking to a woman or socializing on Khan vs. Primal seduction, vs. Primal. It is like looking at colors or picking different objects, flavors. Its obvious.
So I guess, given that C&C is such a superior feature-wise, I’m not clear on why there’s a sudden drop metrically for me so much. Maybe recon, or maybe I am incompatible with the sub given ZP ‘revealing’ nature?
It’s very easy for me to see how subs affect concrete results, given my schedule and work.
I’d love to weild it more effectively, and I can keep C&C in rotation, but not sure how long to give it before making an assessment outside of what I am seeing
That’s an awesome result with the $700K, and I’m excited to see and hear more things like that. I’ll do a full report later on the Crown and Capital thread as there are many benefits I am seeing outside of work.
I’m not just referring to warmth. I’m referring to the sales capacity that HOM gave in my experience. There was much more than warmth, but the essence was a kind of trust and a mutual working through to arrive at a deal, a sale, or an outcome together, it shows up as a kind of verbal wizardy where I can spin antyhing into a win-win. Also, a high-volume lead manifestation quality that happens on HOM.
That’s definitely fair; the intended purpose and goals are there.
I specifically said the re-imaging has me concerned, as the updates and improvements may not work the same for me. Based on my experience with C&C. I am such a vocal fan of everything here, and I have strong results quickly with almost every sub. I really, really wanted and have been pulling for C&C to work for my situation and overall. And I’m just struggling with it for my main income driver and given the improvements not sure why.
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