Main Disc. Thread - Season 4: Into the Wonder [9.28.25]

[GoldenTiger]

Thank you again, I’ll start experimenting with C&C + WDB +AoW when it comes out.

I’ll replace AoW with Rich Trader when it’s released.

[Apollo]

I’ve had a great time with HoM and Primal, also made a custom from it. I find the wealth and gravitas plus family harmony works well with the effects of Primal where I feel good about myself, I don’t overthink much and my interactions are better with people.

Reading this, I’m tempted to pair it with WDB this time. Good stack?

[Prioritas]

@SaintSovereign

All of the EMPEROR titles are built this way, since they are intended to serve as the foundation (note, not saying “beginner”) for the rest of the stack. EMPEROR line products have a unique quality about them, as they can sorta “bind” the rest of the stack / custom together since they cover many topics.

Does this apply to Emperor Executive as well?

[mountainguy]

Y’all be thinking about extracting maximum wealth from the title but can we stack ROTNW with CandC to get wealth from being extracted?

Just joking…unless?

[Philemon]

@GoldenTiger

Now it might be early for this question, but stacking C&C with Rich Trader, what type of results could it produce?

Planning on doing this aswell. After reading how well they synergies would might add a 3 core. Not gonna make any decisions until the copies come out. However in my mind I am thinking

One of these 3
Brotherhood
WDB
Polyglot

I assume C&C + RICH Trader will cover most money bases and these would just improve the C&C networking to find more external capital to invest.

EDIT: Could maybe even put a fame sub In…

[Golgo13]

@SaintSovereign Any update on Genesis: Ascension?

[GoldenTiger]

I’m very curious to read both copy, I feel rich trader is more what I’m looking for to kick-start the engine as I don’t have lot of capital to do something.

So I’ll start with higher exposition to Rich Trader

But C&C is definitly in my stack as once I get capital I need to get it working, find ways to manage my taxes, see what I do with all of this.

[Judoka]

Well after c&c theres only paragon complete and trader left

And quintessense os is apparently going to help free hours of time for them to develop titles faster so i think this month is probably realistic

[Golgo13]

From your lips to Saint’s ears.

[Jade8]

Is the new Crown & Capital for anyone or is it more masculine?

[HeroicDragon]

I understand this will work well with RTrader… how will they stack with HERO Origins or Emperor? Your answer may be my custom for this year…

[Philemon]

If you havent picked a business yet take a look at RoW.
Will be hard to take action on C&C if you still dont know what you want to do.

@oloy

c&c makes it a success

C&C would show you what you where always capable of.

[Plutus]

Saint already confirmed that it would help with that.

@SaintSovereign

C&C has new ZPU adaptive scripting. It meets you at your level, then gently pushes you upward over time. If you’re already advanced, you’ll immediately get advanced results. Beginners using this title will find that results are very steady and free flowing, but let’s be real here – the goals of C&C are very high. Don’t expect millionaire status immediately. Do expect steady results and pathways for you to achieve that goal over time to emerge. Remember, it is built from HoM.

I’d say stack with OG Stark or Stark Black because those two are wealth subs which will allow you to build a tech business.

[oloy]

I would like direct confirmation from saint. Thanks for U guy’s responses.

[GoldenTiger]

@SaintSovereign

C&C has new ZPU adaptive scripting.

Oh I missed this!!

Is that new or was it implemented in previous titles? I don’t remmeber reading about ZPU’s adaptive scripting.

[anon15812918]

@SaintSovereign

If you’re talking about having a million dollar valuation on your career / company, BOTH can do that. If we’re talking about just having a million dollars in clear cash (meaning, no taxes have been levied against it, etc.) – BOTH can still do that. They are two separate approaches. The copy will explain more.

what about cashflow from investment? EOG vs CC?

[Phoenix]

I enjoy reading the combo - is there any updates with R.I.C.H.?

[mvargo]

@SaintSovereign

Well, C&C has some very GRAND goals that can fit within the career at first, but the sheer grandiosity of these high goals will eventually need expression, or you’ll start seeing lack of action-based recon. So, if your long-term goals, you see a life where career-wise, you are an entrepreneur or you’re in a career (like sales), where there’s no intrinsic wealth ceiling (like in a salaried 9-5 position), you should be good.

It makes sense that CC is owner/entrepreneur-focused, but are there any active plans to develop a wealth/alpha title that’s primarily focused on serious corporate career progress, without heavy entrepreneurial elements?

When I look through the catalogue, more or less all of the “wealth/status” titles are directly entrepreneurial or include significant entrepreneurship/side hustles/alternative wealth pathways. I agree that thinking and acting like an owner is valuable even as an employee - but mostly in terms of having owner mindset and level of responsibility —but it does feel like the catalogue is very heavily weighted toward entrepreneurship as the default route to wealth/power.

The thing is: depending on how you define entrepreneurship, only a very small minority of working-age people are engaged in it or actively pursuing it at any given time. For most people, the best path to financial freedom is, in my opinion: (a) get insanely skilled at something you’re naturally good at and that interests you (not necessarily your “passion”), (b) find a career path that rewards that very well and gives you opportunities to develop, and (c) find one or a few very good financial advisors who can help you slowly and steadily grow your wealth (very few people I know beat the market consistently).

Also, many people who eventually become entrepreneurs come from a solid background as employees when they have been top performers. We always hear about the Stanford dropout who starts a billion-dollar company, but plenty of businesses are started by people who first excel in a career, then spot something in that field they can improve by starting their own business later.

I therefore think there’s a big opportunity for titles (and modules) designed for the much larger group whose primary arena is the corporate ladder. There could be beginner titles, but hopefully also very ambitious titles e.g. for people aiming for the upper tail of corporate outcomes (C-suite, board careers, top top project managers, partner track, top-tier banker/consultant/lawyer).

[GoldenTiger]

Ascended mogul probably will be more focused career and “alpha”. Or it can be used better in a career context.

[Philemon]

Looking forward to see the C&C copy.

I was thinking more and more that it might be best to delay using this sub, as much as I want to fully go into it it may be more wise to focus on the fundamentals first and get to 8 figures+.

What would be amazing is if there are Essence modules based on C&C. Especially the aura. Being treated like a king/aristocrat. That may be the aura that fits me the best out of everything in the catalog. I did use HoM for a month and dropped it after changing my priorities, however the Aura was amazing I could feel it after the first loop. I can imagine a C&C essence module with the aristocrat aura working so well with WDB.

I will obviously wait to see the copy before coming to any serious conclusions. The RICH trader C&C custom may be too tempting to resist.