Main Disc. Thread - Season 4: Into the Wonder [9.28.25]

@SaintSovereign if you’re able to help with this question since I’m planning to buy a custom as soon as the new C&C launches:

If I’ve been listening to EoG ST2 in ZPQ custom for the past 1 year. Would Emperor: Crown & Capital (in a custom with Job Seeker, RICH and Stark Black) be like a upgrade to that in terms of results if I’m career-focused/wanted to see the most results there and would it be a next step to EoG ST2 or would you say it’s less influential in those areas than EoG ST2? Wondering if I should replace EoG ST2 with Emperor: Crown & Capital and if it would be a good next step in terms of more results and impact.

I want to add that the career is in sales if that helps.

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If the goal is millionaire , which is a good Sub ROI wise ?

Playing C & C till millionaire or EOG Stages repeatedly ?

This has me very curious regarding how close the new C&C is to previous HoM, or if it is bigger, especially it’s wealth scripting. I know HoM was a huge script. Can’t wait to read the copy.

Now it might be early for this question, but stacking with Rich Trader, what type of results could it produce?

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So, what I’m hearing is that C&C + EoG + Khan would be a great stack :eyes::yum:

Another small question is regarding family/legacy, let’s say we only care from a standpoint of taking care of our parents and partner and best friend. Will the script push towards that and not towards giving it to a future blood related generation if that makes sense ( trying to make sure it’s okay to run C&C for someone who is never can’t/planning to have children or get married and that the scripting won’t push someone towards wanting/desiring those things if they never wanted it nor want it)? @SaintSovereign

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@SaintSovereign Can you release Paragon Sleep tonight? Or is Fire going to release all Paragon titles together?

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Not overkill at all. It is a dense stack – it covers A LOT. But, it is a GOOD stack. I think you’ll enjoy. Just start with microloops. BTW, everyone – the new instruction manual is coming, and microloops are now becoming the official recommendation / listening guidelines. This is one of those stacks that if you work through the microloop strategy, I am highly confident that you will see good results.

Hmmmmm…

Well, C&C has some very GRAND goals that can fit within the career at first, but the sheer grandiosity of these high goals will eventually need expression, or you’ll start seeing lack of action-based recon. So, if your long-term goals, you see a life where career-wise, you are an entrepreneur or you’re in a career (like sales), where there’s no intrinsic wealth ceiling (like in a salaried 9-5 position), you should be good.

Within that context – I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s an “upgrade,” since EoG is phenomenal. It’s just different. It has a different goal. It’s legacy building, building financial structures, building businesses and wealth generating endeavors that have a quality that it will literally outlast you because of how impactful, or profitable it becomes.

If you’re talking about having a million dollar valuation on your career / company, BOTH can do that. If we’re talking about just having a million dollars in clear cash (meaning, no taxes have been levied against it, etc.) – BOTH can still do that. They are two separate approaches. The copy will explain more.

It’s a pretty big script. And considering that we used the C&C idea thread A LOT, I mean more so than ever before, you can get an idea of the general idea of many of the themes.

I mean, that’s a very “on the surface” kinda interpretation, meaning that the themes of C&C and RICH Trader will literally just intertwine and become one. Look at the C&C features mentioned in the description I posted and you’ll see how they will easily synergize.

It would be, but Khan’s inclusion will make things more much aggressive. I’d use this stack if I’m operating within an arena where this is necessary. C&C already has a lot of resilience and dominance scripting.

Children aren’t really mentioned specifically. It’s using a very basic definition of “legacy,” meaning – the creation of a structure with the potency to outlast you. The easiest expression of this idea is a company that remains powerful even after the original founder has died. I’ll give you an example – go look into the history of Nintendo. It started as a little playing card company in 1889, and look at what it is now. Whether you leave that kind of company to your kids, or relatives, or choose not to give it to anyone isn’t determined in the script.

The title itself is wealth building through legacy and all the skills necessary to handle this. This is why it’s good for sales – those skills overlap.

I cannot. The copy isn’t done and @Fire needs to do a review.

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Exactly there’s no intrinsic wealth ceiling as the career is in sales, my idea was to replace EoG with C&C so that I can run 2 customs instead of 3 right now. In this case, considering my career is in sales, do you think I would have better results sales wise with more success/money if I run two custom (one of the custom has C&C) and drop the third custom which has EoG ST2?

So let’s say if you had to pick one that would be best for a career in sales to make the most money both salary and commission wise. Which one would it be C&C or EoG ST2? @SaintSovereign

This is exactly the answer I want to get. Thank you so much!

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Wealthy ZP
A Stark Black Reality Core
Emperor: Crown & Capital
R.I.C.H Core
Direct Influencing Aura
Financial Success Reality Shifter
Job Seeker
Nomad
SPS: Fat Burn
Hyperfocus Engine
Synergy: Tale of the Dragon

Shifter QTKS
Minds Eye Core
New Result Enhancing Experience Core
Pathways Of Intuition
Fortune’s Favourite
Omnidimensional
DEUS
Subconscious Flow
Dopaminergic Revival
Khronos Key
Auric Overdriver
Synergy: Divine Dominion
Synergy: Master of the World
Synergy: Subconscious Mastery
Overdrive
Pragya
Void of creation
Carpe Diem Ascended
Unrelenting Wealth Motivation & Energy
The Architect
Energetic Development XI

Not sure if this helps @SaintSovereign with the decision but basically this was the custom stack I was going to use once C&C comes out. My current one is similar with the addition of EoG ST2 in ZPQ format with Job Seeker so I was thinking of removing it when C&C comes out to just run two customs instead but I wanted to hear from you if you think this would give better and faster results in sales or if you think I should keep EoG ST2 custom so I’d still be running 3 customs.

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If I use C&C with Muay Thai Mastery can it help me build wealth and legacy through Muay Thai?

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I mean, this is a lot to interpret – you’re going to have to try out the different combinations and see what happens. Emperor: C&C is POTENT. I highly doubt you’ll need all of these different modules. I’d start with running C&C with one of them, then the other, then by itself and seeing what can be removed. Just note that it is a potent title, just like the original.

Of course. 50+ years from now, people are still going to be talking about Saenchai and wearing Fairtex equipment. C&C is “legacy energy,” structures that persist through history. If you opened a gym / became a trainer / professional fighter, this would become even more obvious, though C&C is more tailored toward the business side.

So a stack like this – in it’s purest, most successful expression – would mean that you build a Muay Thai gym that becomes well-known and successful enough for it to remain even when you’re no longer there.

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Thank you for the reply, since C&C is a massive script, would it be smarter for me to ramp up the amount of listening time for Rich Trader (as main wealth generating engine) and have lower exposition to C&C to let it build up over time while focusing mainly on trading?

This might be a support question, since it’s related to processing power and I don’t know if my understanding of all of it is up to par.

My only thought/worry I guess is if I remove EoG ST2 and keep everything else with C&C added in the custom (for context I’ve been running my current QTKS and Wealthy ZP custom for almost 2 years now with good results). Would my wealth/career/sales results be lower, same or higher than if I just kept EoG and ran 3 customs with C&C in the second custom.

@SaintSovereign any thoughts with this new information, on what you think would give the best results if my focus is getting the most money, sales, most opportunities/leads from my career in sales?

Also the career is in tech so my hope is that Stark Black + C&C would have that synergistic effect to push the sales and wealth to overdrive in the tech space.

Just FYI- OG R.I.C.H is due for an update this season

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The modeling of the Master of The World module is covered/redundant with C&C?

Hell fuckin yes. Based on the information given so far.

This is going to be future QTKS.

Emperor: Crown & Capital
RICH Trader
Limitless: RAIKOV

New Marketweaver
Inner Voice
Deep Sleep
Jupiter
Void of Creation

Just missing two modules now.

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Again, this is one of those things you’ll have to test. There’s really no way for me to definitively say “run this one more,” since I don’t have enough insight into your trading skill, life circumstances and the such. What I can say is that Emperor: C&C and RICH Trader is an incredibly natural stack. You’ll probably be adjusting the listening times often, depending on what life is presenting to you at the moment. And I don’t think you should even worry about it too much – that’s how well they synergize.

Honestly, I think you’re overthinking it a bit. Once you try Emperor: C&C, you’ll understand why I say this. I get that everyone wants to maximize their customs and the such, but Emperor: C&C is so potent that you’ll see good results with either of those customs. As to which one will generate more, that’s up to the person running it rather than the scripting. I don’t think you’ll lose anything by removing EoG St. 2, but Emperor C&C is still a different type of product. I’d wait for the full feature list because I think your questions will be answered once you see the differences and similarities.

Depends on if you’re thinking of including it in a custom with C&C. In that case, possibly. I’d wait for the feature list, as that will contain the EXACT features for comparison.

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Got it thank you so much! I really appreciate all your help and advice you’ve given me throughout this. C&C has been something I’ve been excited for weeks now so I want to make the stack perfect.

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Edit.

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Will this cover running 3 subs on listening days or is that still experiential?