I think this touches on the topic you are asking about
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Have you tried DR: Regeneration? It is gives profound results very fast.
I love this post because you come away with a deeper understanding whenever you read it
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@Adi â
Again, because you are overloading your system with titles + energetic practices. Itâs a very simple concept â the mind and body can only take so much, like an electrical wire rated for a certain amount of current. When the current exceeds the tolerance of that wire, it blows.
In your outward expression on the forum, you gravitate from intense highs and excitement to intense lows and questioning. This is exactly the type of behavior one would expect to see from someone constantly taxing their system beyond its limits without grounding. integration and rest. Youâre trying to push for âreality bending resultsâ without doing the proper foundational work.
You will notice that many reporting the best results here are typically in sales. Why is that relevant? Well, thatâs an industry where you MUST train yourself to be grounded, at least inwardly for success. They naturally have developed this ability to calm the nervous system enough for them to remain relaxed and focused in their sales pitches. Also, their chosen vocation is literally the personification of âtake action.â They are literally âtake action,â embodied through their career itself. Sales calls and pitches, cutthroat, highly capitalistic environments â and theyâre running titles like Emperor: The Art of War or E:WTP, True Sell, True Social. They build their foundations naturally, through natural action. And then Zero Point can help them accelerate their results to extreme levels because they are working with the script in an organic way, not trying to force accelerated results.
Trading is another one that will soon have the same kind of results. Itâs much easier to make titles for these industries because again, the foundational work is built into the process itself. Traders have to train their minds to maintain a certain level of clarity and detachment, or failure is almost certainly guaranteed.
With the types of titles you use and the topics that interest you, what would you even gain from these accelerated results? If youâre running a spiritual title and have a massive spiritual breakthrough, would that even bring wisdom, considering your system is already overloaded with energy WHILE processing subliminal audio?
Zero Point can already help you generate insane results. It is not the tech. It is the constitution of the one wielding it. As soon as an individual grasps this and starts looking at the mechanisms, processes and reactions of their own mind, it becomes very easy to accelerate results. This requires a bit of skill and focus, but should not be hard to do â since you know yourself better than anyone else. The answers that most people are looking for are already there, and Zero Point helps you bring those to conscious awareness.
And in this situation, I think youâre going to have to cut back on either the subliminal use or energetic practices, allow your system to heal and integrate. And this is fine. A lot of people think that âhard gainerâ automatically means âslow results.â Truth is, their systems just adapt to change differently. I would know â Iâm a hard gainer on many titles. But, I recognized that this is not a flaw, but a feature. The fact that my mind is slow to change without objective and measurable data (otherwise, I become fixed and unyielding) prevents me from moving too fast, or falling victim to self-delusion and glamour. So I work with it rather than against it. Microloops, focusing on embodiment of the titleâs features that I enjoy the most, etc. And this tends to immediately accelerate my results.
Honor your system, everyone. Your systems are not âflawed,â they are simply âunalignedâ with your truest nature. The goal at first isnât âmind-blowing results,â but stable progress. Of course, if a title just isnât working the way anyone quite intended (psst⌠looking at you âHeartsong,â youâre definitely getting a do-over), then we want everyone to express that. But on the question of pushing Zero Point to destabilize people, even if the âresult is mindblowing,â the answer is no.
We believe it is very effective as-is. Once we can finish the Q-Pro Platform, people will be able to experiment a bit more with things, but keep in mind â Q-Pro is most certainly going to be gated, and only those who can illustrate responsible and ethical use will be given access.
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Maybe I missed something but whatâs Q-Pro going to be? @SaintSovereign
I do agree Sales has to be one of the best places to work in when listening to subs. Itâs as if youâr constantly becoming the objectives of the subs you listen and then those results impact the rest of youâre life too.
Will trading titles be more effective than what we have at the moment 
Even after doing very good in June, July, August and September Iâm stuck in a rut mentally since october and I know Iâll get out of there but itâs hard.
Also I can confirm subliminals do help in sales like crazy, altough I wasnât in sales for a long time, I went from having trouble being assertive to closing and being in the top 10%(maybe 6%) of new recruit in the first 4 months, starting from zero experience 
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I didnât want to say it (gatekeeping and all that) but I think this is part of the issue here, going by some of the posts Iâve read. Grounding is very, very, very important when doing heavy spiritual work, and I think itâs lacking here. It doesnât slow down progress, it helps maintain self-control and perspective.
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Definitely excited for Q-Pro though
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Just want to add my 2 cents-
I did this in 2023. I overloaded my energetic system hard and itâs not fun to say the least.
I did the Middle Pillar ritual daily. The MP is a normal semi beginner exercise in the GD system, but what a lot donât know is thereâs more advanced versions (theyâre all in the book âMiddle Pillarâ by Israel Regardie).
I got intrigued by this because I felt it âdoing somethingâ and within a few weeks I almost became obsessed to the point where I was doing the long 35m version daily. Sometimes twice daily. Keep in mind at this time I had NO clue or knowledge about energy body or meridians or any of that. I got to the point where I would begin to sweat during the ritual. I took this one step further-I would purposely put on air conditioning down to 70 degrees where its chilly for me. I would strip down to my boxers, and do the ritual and by the end, my arms and chest and back would be covered in sweat. Keep in mind this ritual you are standing completely still and only âmovementâ is the larynx vibrating Hebrew god names for each sphere. One session in particular I had such laser like focus and intense visualization of the beam of light and spheres , that I ended the session with a puddle of sweat under my feet when starting again with cold chilly climate.
This also produced high intense spiritual states, very intense synchroneities and overall bliss(I should state here that I am sound of mind, never been diagnosed with any psychiatric conditions and I have never hallucinated. I do take psychedelics from time to time but Iâve never hallucinated while sober).
But there were symptoms I ignored(tho I had no idea these were symptoms) and that was my emotions were an intense roller coaster. One day nirvana and laughing in prayer because my love for life was so high, and then next day being extremely agitated or depressed. This roller coaster kept getting worse and worse.
To not make this post ultra long, I finally collapsed and burned myself out. I went thru a very dark period in my life as a result. I almost wish I could post photos of myself to show, but at the start of 2023 I had a very bright vitality glow in my face, and by the end of 2023, I looked like those educational videos of faces of meth they show to keep you from trying drugs(just so no one misunderstands, I did not do hard street drugs, but my face/vitality/body were that fucked up from energy burn out).
When Fire once in a while pops in here and tells people to be very careful doing YT Kundalini breathing techniques because you can fuck yourself up if you are just putting high charge into your system all the time-he is not kidding in the slightest sense. I have been on the receiving end of what happens when you put high charge thru your system non stop. Unlike burning your hand on a stove where pain is immediate, you donât feel the damage youâre doing to your nervous system and energy circuits until itâs too late.
Today I am doing qi gong and the point of writing this post is to detour anyone from going thru what I went thru.
Go slow, build and condition your energy body/psyche/nervous system and do not chase high ecstasy spiritual states.
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This was a really interesting read
Have not really ventured into spirituality, so itâs interesting to read about experiences like this
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I am not really doing too much and feeling quite balanced, relaxed, calm, grounded and at ease. I just know I have the capacity for way more and wondering what is still holding me back from seeing such profound results consistently since sometimes I have a sudden burst of very incredible results. I am pondering why it is not there consistently however.
Stuck to my stack now for nearly 3 months and went from 30s to 3-5m which I have been hovering around for awhile. I am aching for deeper breakthroughs and more life-changing shifts in my life now.
Is there something in Zp which adjusts all results according to our own rate of development? Because sometimes I feel like my results are outstanding and then other weeks nothing much that I can point out? I donât think this questioning you mentioned is wrong btw @SaintSovereign I think it is probably part of the anti-recon and helping me understand what is still preventing me from better executing my stack. 
Of course. In the early SubClub days, we paid a lot of money to consultants to advise us on what to include. The thing is, many of these consultants canât mentally bridge the gap of who they were and who they are, and much of the advice they gave only applies to them as they are NOW. It wasnât universal and was very experiential.
Our new method is very collective focused, looking at the trends, patterns and silent requests (what we understand when we observe from a detached and rational approach), and giving customers a unified title with what theyâve asked for, mixed with our expertise.
And that gives the impression that we seem to âknow what the collective needsâ and can respond, but the truth is that you all tell us in the various idea threads and through casual conversation with each other. We consider ourselves custodians â one who listens, maintains, delivers and protects â rather than âleaders.â And since most everyone here gives informative feedback â âpositiveâ or ânegativeâ â it gives us A LOT to work with when upgrading titles, as long as we remain detached observers, taking great measures not to project our own views into the process. Yes, the ethos of the company as seen on the About Us pages is our mission and we will hold ourselves to a higher perspective, but our goal is see you all succeed.
So yes â and everyone interested in trading, jump on the trading threads and keep sharing your thoughts. It doesnât matter if you think the idea is âdumb,â because we wonât. Weâre reading between the lines and looking for patterns and commonalities, so weâre not looking at the âouter formâ of the feedback. Weâre applying discernment to see what youâre REALLY trying to say.
Using the âmasculine edgeâ thing as a point, let it be known that neither @Fire nor myself are opposed to creating titles with a deep sense of drive, vitality, or even outer dominance. The issue with me is that âmasculine edgeâ is too vague to do anything with, since many people â and read the thread to confirm â already feel that the title DOES give them a masculine edge. Nonetheless, some people wanted something more and what weâre trying to do is press on everyone a bit to get them to speak with clarity and conviction, rather than vagueness.
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lol was going to post exactly this, take action is the results enhancer. On any of these subs.
I stagnate and get off track at times to, but anytime I devote massive action towards an area of focus while running a sub relevant to that action the results are 
the type your looking for.
Back in the Q-days while running Iron Throne me and a buddy would go out and literally challenge each other to do 100 approaches per day, going out every single day, doing extreme social pressure challenges, and the results literally changed my belief system permanently, and havenât had issues with women to this day.
Sales as well, used to suck, ran sales subs along with hundreds of cold calls per day, for multiple years, and no longer suck at sales.
Currently running Emperor and GLM after spending the past year basically screwing around and partying, decided to cut off smoking weed and drinking my weekends away, doing things I donât want to do, and having those massive breakthrough of results again. But was definitely feeling like things were coasting while running this stack for three months, subtly making lifestyle tweaks, and then this week felt like one of the breakthrough moments.
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Most of the time, less is more, and what I want to highlight is that a lot of Subliminal Club titles have been slept on, which I find very unfortunate.
Iâm thinking of titles like Sanguine, Inner Circle, Emperor: Will to Power, SPARTAN: The Beast Unleashed, Paragon Sleep, Lineage, etc.
I really appreciate what Saint pointed out about people working in sales who embody the mindset of taking action.
But, like everything, some people are ready to take action right away, while others need to remove some emotional or mental baggage before they can build the right frame. Thatâs why I strongly encourage future subliminal listeners to run a few cycles with titles that support their mental health before diving into programs that require a huge amount of action.
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Saint and fire both typingâŚ
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2nded.
Take a proper spa season for 3-6 months and every sub (& life) will easier after it.
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Thatâs a great point. Masculine edge is indeed extremely vague, when you think masculine edge I see you have a totally different vision than myself, and thatâs probably indicative of a lot of users on the forum.
It was a nice analysis to do, what is a âmasculine edgeâ.
Making me even more excited for the upcoming RICH Trader! Subs at the moment are helping a lot, but are not quite on the bullseye for what Iâm looking for.
But Iâve noticed some great improvement with the current titles avaliable and my efforts.
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Because the subtle results build into larger results. Thatâs the cycle â itâs not even Zero Point that causes this, itâs just the way nature is. Everything operates in cycles. Day and night, seasons, the rotation of the earth. A boxer throws a million punches before he enters the ring in a professional fight, and I bet throughout many of those training sessions, they questioned whether they were making progress as well. One day, they recognize some subtle change to their style that ends up sending their fighting prowess to extremes.
Zero Point helps you latch on to the process and helps you accelerate it. From subtle to breakthrough, back to subtle, to breakthrough â and the wielder must learn how to maintain a stable inner core while this occurs, so they arenât gravitating between high and low. I mean, really think about the nature of the products weâve been releasing. ALL of them are designed to help you build a foundation based upon your own constitution. HERO: The Light That Blinds, GLM, Dragon Reborn: Regeneration, the upcoming Genesis: Ascension. Even titles like Alchemist: Singularity, helping you to resolve duality within the self.
Thereâs a reason why these are all so grounded, focusing on embodiment, calming the nervous system, stabilizing the mind and emotions. Think about whatâs happening in the world, as the media and social media blasts our nervous systems into anxiety mode 24/7. Always SOMETHING going on â 3I/ATLAS and aliens, Epstein Files, yada yada yada. The United States of America, with all itâs posturing and external might is SUCH A FEAR BASED SOCIETY, rofl. Everyoneâs always angry, wrapped up in drama and the such because as a nation, we do too damn much.
So, how does Subliminal Club respond? We release titles designed to help you navigate these tumultuous waters. If collective forces are going to drive a person to constant anxiety, we respond with titles focused on detachment, resilience, self-confidence, a calm and healthy nervous system (DR: Regeneration), proper health (Paragon), proper sleep (Paragon Sleep), mastery of a craft so that youâll always be employed (HERO: The Light that Blinds), etc.
Spiritual thrill-seeking for the sake of just thrill-seeking using subliminal audio is not advised. There are those here who are also drawn to intense experiences, but (and I donât like doing this, but itâs the perfect example), I have to give @bujin credit for how he explains why he is drawn to them, as seen on the Dragon Reborn: Regeneration thread. It is not intensity for the sake of intensity, he is using the intensity in a methodical and strategic manner. We are not going to judge anyone for this, even though I personally seek quiet and peaceful wisdom and experiences. Iâm not going to be practicing astral projection and the such, blasting out of my body all the time, or holding meditation for hours at the time. I like the movement style Qigong, focusing on calming the body, and focusing on non-striving, letting my spiritual process play out softly.
Who is right, and who is wrong? I say neither. When I look at those two perspectives, I look beyond the outer form and see a commonality, and that commonality is the application of skill and focus to our chosen modalities to achieve a deeper spiritual life.
And thatâs just that, man. Trying to push any title â spiritual or non-spiritual â to consistently generate âreality bending resultsâ is a dangerous endeavor without a shockingly strong inner core. When I hear âreality bending results,â I sense destabilization, potential psychosis and more important, CRISIS. If a person cannot handle Zero Point at its current levels, why would we willingly create something âstronger?â
And how are we even defining âstronger?â Is stronger immediate, but destabilizing results, or a bit more long-term but fulfilling results?
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