Hours have passed since my first loop and I feel good.
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Ran rebirth today after running my custom over night. That was this morning still feeling alittle down I am doing another run of rebirth before i go out later as I want to be more positive like I was yesterday.
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@TheBoxingScientist I may run Rebirth Ultima on the days I am not running Beyond Limitless Ultima. I haven’t decided yet. I remember when Rebirth first came out I remember reading the description and how it would help with the influence of the toxic people in your life. Seeing how I have dealt with a lot of toxic guilt and emotional blackmail in my life and noticing how Beyond Limitless Ultima has dramatically shifted my thinking and responding in less than a week , adding to that would be incredibly fun and liberating.
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Running this now. I may make it the only Ultima I run for the near future.
I am also running my q custom focused around Ascension, Primal and Sex Mastery + healing mods.
I’ve got SpartanQ running in my basement workout area.
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It’s a shame Rebirth Ultima only has temporary effects because this sub format works extremely well for me.
@SaintSovereign did this mean that Rebirth Q was more permanent? If so how do we tailor Rebirth to have more lasting effects?
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Does it mean that all the reconciliation I went through running limit destroyer actually did a permanent reframe of something in my head?
Im happy! 
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While we’re on the topic of permanent Ultimas, is Stage 3 more permanent? 
Well, all I can say is:
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Probably not. These are boosters, meant to compliment your stack. If you want deep growth, use a major program or build a custom.
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Just curious. How is it that some Ultima subs only give temporary effects whereas for Rebirth Ultima, it become permanent? Is it the difference in the goals of each sub?
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Ya’ll are killing me, rofl. I’m going to say this one last time, then everyone link to this post. All subliminal audio will give some kind of “permanent effect.” However, Ultima subs are very narrow in scope by nature, thus they will not cause the same deep growth as a broader major program. Hence, you should use them as a booster for your stack. Titles like Rebirth and Limit Destroyer, by nature, will cause more permanency than Ultima Stage 3, an attraction based sub that uses an aura.
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Release the Kraken already 
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Respectfully @SaintSovereign perhaps rewording your description to avoid any further ambiguities in your product\Ultima details is in order ? Re: permanent/temporary effects
It’s obviously caused confusion in a lot of folks including myself. ROFL.
p.s. Thanks for clearing up re: aware it’s permanent. .
Frankly, Ultima titles will give even more permanent change over the short as it really alters your reality in one loop. That being said I believe many others including myself have mentioned here on the forum that it is the experience you gain through subliminal suggestions that changes your personality, as it is the memories in your unconscious that shapes it.
The only thing different with Ultima compared to Q, Terminus & Terminus² is that it’s more goal-oriented and specific, where as the latter is broadly script with a lot of depth. Nonetheless both technologies will give you permanent change, with Ultima even more so in the short run, as Q itself takes longer to actually fully manifest and many people here on the forum never reach that state due to reconciliation where by they switch titles.
One big understanding explained a multitude of times, so I guess this is made clear now.
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When you’re listening to a subliminal, you’re actually receiving a certain set of suggestions that change your thinking patterns and thus your way of being & acting. When you stop listening to it these suggestion will fade, so also the way you behave accordingly. The experiences you gained out of it, have changed you and that’s what you take with the effects will never be as prominent when you stop listening, such as the Aura’s etc.
Although over a very long period of time, let’s say you’ve been using it for 3 years, I can totally attest that the suggestions have changed you so much that they’re somewhat ‘more’ permanent, don’t expect to listen it two weeks and keep the same potency of effects – that’s a big illusion.
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To make this clear for once and for all –
My answer
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So it’s this correct:
Ultima: listen once, get a temporary boost (4+ hours). Effects fade.
Rebirth/Sanguine Ultima: listen regularly, permanent long lasting change.
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