@mecharc their answer is: no clue. ZP is so experimental that we don’t know where it’ll go yet.
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Ahhh… Thanks
Off the wall suggestion for a future private test below.
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Paragon Sleep in Zero Point. It may be the tech that fixes some of the issues that were being experienced earlier.
Not sure, but @Fire and I have literally been working all day on rewriting the script for WANTED from scratch. It’s 1:30 A.M. est and I’m probably putting another two hours in.
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Wow seriously? I guess I underestimated the work for WANTED in my original post. But then again, ZP is apparently completely different from Q.
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What he said. This was a surprise for us, so we’re just seeing where it’ll go, including if we’ll even release titles built with it after testing. Initial observations indicate that the various Zero Point build / scripting methods are very, very advanced and may not be for everyone. We’ve even discussed only allowing those who have demonstrated proficiency in successfully running our titles to purchase Zero Point titles if we go with the build we’re calling ZPPF.
Right now, there are three builds in the Zero Point project. We’ve already ruled out one of them as unfeasible. The other is similar to Qv2 (ZPS, or Zero Point Standard), except the play time is much shorter (somewhere between 30-45 minutes). In the third build, the most advanced one, each title is comprised of two files: “Primer” and “Flow.” You’ll run “Primer” at one loop for 3-4 days, with Primer’s playtime being around 15-30 minutes. Then, you’ll run the “Flow” for 3-4 days. The playtime for Flow is undetermined as of yet.
With ZPPF, following the instructions is absolutely imperative as the build may “fall apart” and cause recon or stonewalling if you don’t adhere to them. Some of you may already see the issue – with ZPPF, there will be NO latitude for the lawyer games that some like to play with the recommendations, and we’re not sure what will happen if you overexpose yourself to it. I can almost guarantee that even as I say this, there are people already planning to do just that.
@Fire is not a fan of ZPPF, but he’s open to testing. He prefers ZPS because it simplifies the listening process even more, and (as of right now), the playtime for ZPS is shorter. He believes ZPPF will cause issues since people will inevitably ignore the recommendations and end up causing trouble. He’s not wrong. I have the same reservations, but I believe ZPPF may generate better results – enough to justify potentially taking the risk.
That being said, I am not 100% opposed to walling ZPPF off and only allowing those who have tried a few subliminals, but leaving ZPS open. It depends on how the tests go.
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Any ZP script must be rewritten from scratch. And when I say “rewritten,” I don’t mean the somewhat simplistic conversions from Ultima to Qv2. I mean, it has to be REWRITTEN. Totally different scripting framework. Soooo, if the ZP tests go well, and we decide to release ZP powered products, don’t expect Qv2 to ZP conversions immediately.
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You could program the Q bot that scans the forum for patterns of people who have had proper listening exposure and adheres (to their own lol) listening recommendations to some degree and let them have ZPPF?
(That would probably excluse me haha)
I am sure Q could find a pattern. Then again, idk how much time this takes.
Also, ZPPF stands for Zero Point Powerful as FU*K, right? 
@AlexanderGraves good one. I inferred it to be Zero Point: Primer & Flow.
On the topic of listening, I can see how just 1% of all sub users would be eligible to use ZPPF in its current iteration. Might not be worth unleashing that beast if it’s only marginally better than ZPS.
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Hahahaha. Zero Point: Primer and Flow.
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Suggesting moving this thread to SC Labs section.
If this means circling the stack like:
Mon-Wed play Primer, Thu-Sat play Flow, rest on Sunday. Repeat; or
Week 1 play Primer, Week 2 play Flow. Repeat.
That should be doable for most subliminal users.
We could have the downloads system dripfeed the Flow file only after a week has passed…
… so that @Simon can’t jump to Stage 4 right away. 
Either way, the purpose of each file, and why they must be run in that manner, should be clearly mentioned on the salespage. 
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I’m more happy over the super short listening times! I didn’t know that was on the table. I’d be happy with either build but a single loop with no crazy instructions at 30-40 min a loop? Where do I sign up?
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Yeah thanks for mentioning this, also a key thing that gets overlooked with this power thing.
But think about it, from 8-16 hours a day to 30 min and being even more powerful?
That progress SC is putting out is just insane.
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Honestly, this seems easy enough. Correct me if im wrong but from what ive seen most of the “lawyer games” that ive seen being played are almost all related to creating stacks and trying to get an extra ultima in the stack or getting an extra loop in since there can be a degree to vagueness and personal preference with these things.
Listening instructions like this seem to be so crystal clear and easy to follow that there really isnt any room for any lawyer games.
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I think it mentions multiple times in the thread that the Z line (as I’m calling it till I get these acronyms right) is totally different and made using a different philosophy (my words).
@SaintSovereign - when you guys release the test prototype, will you be releasing masked and ultrasonic versions? I see the P & F may have two different files so that I’m sure is a part of the consideration.
Zero Point is a phrase that pops into my head often in relation to manifestation and I have no idea what it means so this whole thread is serendipitous to me.
Maybe I should look into zero point and figure out what somebody’s trying to tell me
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Zero Point is the lowest theoretical energy point a quantum mechanical system can be. The quantum analogue to absolute zero in classical physics.
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Have you tested any of the ZP titles yourself so far? Or your private testers?
One loop a day for 3-4 days, or one loop every 3-4 days ?