Main Disc. Thread - Quintessence: Zero Point (Experimental) (Part 1)

[MadaraUchiha]

@Ichiban

This tells me that your experience is probably not completely representative. I’ll suggest trying in the days you typically go out, so that you compare apples to apples. Let us know how that goes!

yes im aware of this and agree.

I have no data with primal seduction ultima on Mondays so its not an accurate comparison.

i wont be until this weekend when i go back to the exact same clubs where seduction ultima works so well that i will see conclusive info.

but there are bad signs i have not mentioned.

first, when i went to piss at home tonight before heading out i noticed my penis was smaller then it had been in last 4-5 weeks. one thing i had noticed in the same period seduction ultima was working so well for me was that my flaccid penis side had significantly increased. and tonight it was noticeably smaller. like half.

secondly, i was not horny myself. after my usual 2 loops of seduction ultima as soon as i walk into the bar/club i feel myself that physiologically im hornier then baseline. i can feel the sexual energy in myself. this was not there tonight.

im not worried though. because really i have nothing to lose. seduction ultima works so well for me that ill gladly go back to it if ZP is a bust for me. so its not like im stressed or anything.

ill give it the week and no big deal if ZP does not work noticeably better then back to ultima and i will have only lost 1 week.

[RockyHandsome]

I am sure it has been mentioned one can use 2 loops if you are a hard gainer. Now i dont want to get into trouble with Saint so lets see what he has to say.

[MadaraUchiha]

i also want to mention one positive thing that happened tonight with Primal ZP that i have never seen in my life before so it has to be ZP>

I’m a good looking guy so with or without subs im used to girls approaching me in the nightlife.

but usually the girls will be very indirect. they will use excuses, so things i see usually are like “you look bored”…“why are you not dancing?”, etc…sometimes they just say “hi” and nothing else which to me is always so hilarious

tonight this hot brunette walked up to me as i was sitting at a table at the start of the night and directly hit on me. “i saw you when you walked in, i thought you where cute, can i buy you a drink?”

i get approached all the time but never does the girl state her intentions directly like this. well i should not say never. but very very very rarely. 99.9% of the time its indirect.

and also the main reason i think its ZP is that never in my life in all my years in the night life, never ever has a girl offered to buy me a drink. i have been thinking for past 1 hour to make sure and i know 100% this has never happened before.

so ZP did do something positive.

[MadaraUchiha]

i also want to mention another thing that is a negative for me but some people it would be a positive.

at the start of the night i was sitting by myself and this random guy was asking me to join their group and being really friendly but also persistent.

unfortunately for me in the nightlife this is a negative.

i really have absolutely no interest in interacting with men when im out at night,

a big problem i had with libertine is so many guys would come up to me trying to be all friendly and it always puts me in an awkward position where i have to basically reject them when they are just trying to be nice.

but i go out at night to meet women NOT to find new friends so again i literally have 0 interest in interacting with men when im in a bar or club,

tonight i had 2 random guys come up to me including the guy who invited me to join his group who was really persistent.

this is another bad sign that primal ZP is not as good as primal ultima for me.

On Primal ultima men are really intimidated; they will rarely come up to me and if they do they will not persist like the guy tonight, as soon as i show any sign of not wanting to interact with them they will quickly leave.

so i just want to mention that primal ZP after 1 loop does not seem to intimidate men the same way primal ultima does.

hopefully with more loops that intimidation effect on men shows up/

[Invictus]

@MadaraUchiha

this is another bad sign that primal ZP is not as good as primal ultima for me.

Keywords here “for me”.

I’m glad you’re not like those people who come here and just bash on the company saying it’s placebo and brainwash.

But as I can see, while it’s working in an unexpected way for you, it’s also making you get results that you don’t really want or care about, right? (Referring to the guys coming to you)

Now lemme tell you something about life, it might change your perspective .
You said you’re an already attractive person, you get approached and you also get many girls with PSITU, right?
What do you think that makes you?
A high status man.

PS ZP is bringing out to the surface, hence why the girl who approached you was so direct with you, people can see and feel your high status, hence why both genders will approach you.

Instead of seeing it as a negative, just see it as an indication of your social status increasing, I mean, it is part of the goals of PS since the time it was first created.

@MadaraUchiha

hopefully with more loops that intimidation effect on men shows up/

I don’t understand why guys chase this so often
Don’t take this as an attack, but can you tell me why do you want to intimidate guys?

[PhasingPhoenix]

1 week and 1500posts…
We’ll reach over 9000 by the end of the year.

Paragon vs Regneration, what is best for sleep, relaxation and antistress?

[Wolf]

Regeneration, I think. Don’t know if paragon could help with anti stress.
Or use both like I do.

[RockyHandsome]

Listen bruv it made you attractive which means you will peak the interest of everyone. ZP is much more powerful then ultima. I have spoke to several testers and they can only say one thing. ZP is the most powerful technology right now.

How about using the product for at least 30 days before you start moaning. Give the technology time to integrate into your identity.

[Hoppa]

@RockyHandsome I streamlined my stack to only include WANTED for the rest of the cycle.

I would have gone with Chosen, but it wasn’t part of my original ZP stack. Consistency is the key, after all.

[RockyHandsome]

@Hoppa glad to hear you have streamlined to include just WANTED i am going to do the same i currently on a break day so this will wait till tomorrow.

Consistency is the key like everything in life

[Malkuth]

Nah, I can kind of relate. You want to be a lone wolf. It’s just your preference at this time. And you are allowed to prefer whatever you prefer.

I think I’d kind of be the same way to some degree.

I’m curious to see how this will evolve if you stick with it for a week or two. Because my experience of ZP is that it helps you to align with your optimal personal style. There’s usually at least a little bit of discovery involved.

My wager? Stay tuned for some very interesting and cool surprises. Just give it a minute. The cool thing is that no matter what happens, you always know that Primal Ultima is right there waiting for you. But there’s a chance, if you’ll allow it, that maybe—just maybe—another adventure awaits.

One mantra that I used in my meditation practice might work here:

Allow it to be easy

Just as an experiment, open yourself to the possibility of things just easily unfolding in an absolutely perfect way. It’s just an experiment.

We’ll see.

[Malkuth]

@DarkPhilosopher

The man doesn’t say a word but drops the bundle of sticks to the ground. The woman realizes that enlightenment is to release all burdens and attachments. It makes sense. So she asks: “And what then? What comes after enlightenment?”

The man bends over, picks up the sticks one by one, smiles and proceeds up the hill. The woman realizes that even though enlightenment is the ability to release everything, she still lives in the physical world, and she still has responsibilities and duties. The ability to find enlightenment is to be able to close her eyes and temporarily let go of it all, to find that inner peace at least once a day.

Another kind of cool, if mundane, implication of that story is this: no phase or stage of the path of spiritual realization requires you to somehow “reject” the ordinary aspects of life. Oh, it’ll probably happen anyway, at least temporarily. We get the spiritual equivalent of ‘drugged out’ and are convinced that this is the real reality. But if we survive long enough after that we get over it and get over ourselves.

Everyone and everything is truly already Enlightenment. The path simply involves learning to remember and to appreciate that fact no matter what happens. Our capacity to forget this fact and to exist in ignorance is actually one of the greatest gifts of being human. Ignorance is one of the greatest paths of freedom that there is. And paradoxically, it is only the always available prospect of living in Ignorance that makes truth joyously liberating rather than merely a beautiful prison.

When you know that you could, with the slightest of efforts (or non-efforts), completely lose touch with truth, it makes the moments when you are aligned with truth that much more beautiful.

[MadaraUchiha]

@Malkuth

Just as an experiment, open yourself to the possibility of things just easily unfolding in an absolutely perfect way. It’s just an experiment.

thank you for posting this.

Im going to copy this somewhere so i can reflect on it daily.

i had a similar thought earlier tonight that this is the key to this new technology.

but i had not yet worded it with such clarity.

you seem very knowledgeable, can you please answer a question for me?

I’m considering 2 options,

option 1 i keep my ZP experiment at only 1 week with only primal seduction and diamond.

option 2 i do a 2 week experiment and also include rich ZP

i have been listening to rich ultima on work days for probably 5-8 weeks now and results have been disappointing.

obviously i would have stopped using it if it did nothing but results have been nowhere near what primal ultima.

to give you an idea.

• i would without hesitation pay 100X the price primal ultima is sold for

• i would pay 50-100X the price for libertine ultima but would need to think where in that range. probably 80x i would pay.

• for rich ultima i would buy it again for sure but probably at most 2-4x the price

so rich has been nowhere near the value or primal and libertine ultima so i was thinking testing rich ZP would be good test of ZP power.

but 3 titles seems like so much that im worried it would end up lowering the benefits of all 3.

any thoughts?

[Gilligan]

@Lion

69!
Till the end of time!

That reminds me of a joke I once heard. What’s a 68+1? You do me, and I’ll owe you one.

[Kaprice]

@MadaraUchiha

a big problem i had with libertine is so many guys would come up to me trying to be all friendly and it always puts me in an awkward position where i have to basically reject them when they are just trying to be nice.

You could be like this guy!

Go f... yourself! (X-Men: First Class)

[Gilligan]

@MadaraUchiha

I’m going to give it a shot for 1 week.

I would give it at least 21 days. Even one week isn’t enough. Remember, unlike Ultimas, there’s more permanence with ZP than with an Ultima.
With an ultima, if you stop, within several days or even weeks a lot of the gains that you’ve made may start to disappear.

[MadaraUchiha]

@Gilligan

I would give it at least 21 days. Even one week isn’t enough. Remember, unlike Ultimas, there’s more permanence with ZP than with an Ultima.
With an ultima, if you stop, within several days or even weeks a lot of the gains that you’ve made may start to disappear.

temporary vs permanent results plays literally 0% into my decision; not even something i have ever thought about.

i love benefits i get from seduction ultima.

why would i care that its temporary when i need only 2 loops (2 hours) to trigger these results?

and no im definitely not spending 3 weeks testing ZP unless i get obvious benefits better then ultima within 1 week, im having way too much fun with seduction ultima to stop using it for 3 weeks unless i get even more fun with seduction ZP.

[Brandon]

Mainly because why would you want to continue using a booster if you’ve got the results in your hands at all times and it’s permanent.

That way you can use other titles.

However, it’s completely up to you. People are just trying to help you.

[MadaraUchiha]

@Brandon

That way you can use other titles.

great point.

had not thought abought that.

if its permanent then can run other products on other aspect of life,

makes sense and very very useful.

thank you for pointing that out.

[MadaraUchiha]

has anyone else noticed there is no rich ZP dedicated thread?