Main Disc. Thread - Fire vs. Saint Round 4 [The Battle is On!]

#1670

I 100% agree with this

I think Wanted as seducitno sub first and foremost.

But to have Wanted Black being the extreme off-shoot into Mystery and to have Wanted be the coveted paragon of what a Woman might crave or want in a man, but have it adaptable to more scenarios rather than less calibrated would be my preference.

edit: seems this was never an issue or @Niles were your issues in work from Wanted Black or Wanted?

My understanding and hope was that the new Wanted is not Wanted Black Black- it’s not like a more extreme version of its already more extreme version.

Personally I’d love to see a focus on physical shifting and having it be highly adaptable in high trust scenearious as well, relationship and business (NOT focusing on them but adaptable to them) while retaining

Agreed here as well.

Although Wanted Black does mix very well with my stack for B2C sales.

agreed , unless your a full time seducer, independently wealthy, or an artist/influencer/career based on sexual identity soely it can’t be the sole focus

James Bond is highly trustworthy and seductive as well as blends in with executives/business- I’d love this feature to be in the new Wanted.

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#1671

James, how are you doing? You’ve been real quiet for a while

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#1672

Wow a New Godlike Masculinity am I reading that right? Where are my glasses…

Break limiting beliefs. Incredible frame. Invincibility. Strength. Power. Courage. Honor. Other virtues. Basically the Trump embodiment of a masculine figure. Not to say that he is flawless but yeah. Absolute charisma and influence. Animal magnetism. Evoking that feeling in others that they want to be around you because you are so powerful, the center of attraction and know how to handle and deal with situations. Have great decision-making. Calm under pressure, grounded, relaxed, at ease, trust in yourself and your capabilities, pure stoicism.

Indepedence, autonomy, self-reliance, assertive, logic, rationality, goal-oriented and mission or purpose-driven, focus, drive, leadership, disciplined, structured, organised. Many qualities and aspects of oneself may be characterised as masculine but essentially they are all representative of masculine energy, or the flow of masculine energy within oneself. To develop and embody our masculine side without overtly imbalancing our feminine side but have both firmly active is what makes a wholesome individual.

Resurrecting the authentic core of the masculine essence in a healthy and natural way. Allowing any listener to come back into touch with that essence of masculine energy within themselves and shape them in any way they desire. (without forsaking or dominating their feminine side). Qualities of empathy and sensitiveness, expressiveness, flow, creativity, etc

With the raging decline in testosterone and men becoming so lost without purpose and ideals to live for the society has definitely seen a huge increase in oppression and a lack of masculinity to reinforce itself. This program could have great potential to make a difference and help those who want truly recalibrate themselves to their masculine essence.

Masculinity comes in many forms, but essentially it is an energy. Coming in touch with that energy and allowing it to flow through us is what essentially transforms us into what is considered a masculine figure over time. Most us men have lost that connection for some reason or it is very low. Perhaps modern day society has suppressed it or it is no longer so much needed?

add more to the list and contribute…

I would personally love to see a component that is all about the essence of masculine energy, channeling it, deepening our connection with it, growing it, evolving it… allowing it to shape us into the masculine figure we desire to become and dream of embodying. True masculine embodiment has to have masculine energy prominently active and present in one’s being.

To have that true electrifying energy of a masculine charged man with a presence that is tangibly felt and makes time stands still for a moment!

Also last thing is something about respect. I always noticed among men there is a thing about respect. Groups of men will exchange respect. To understand the true nature of respect and how to properly exchange it among each other? How to earn it or how to demand it, how to give it, how to manifest respect in you from others, how to be respected. Just a suggestion perhaps it is not fitting for this program but it came to my mind. Being respected definitely goes a long way in life.

As pointed out in the Alchemist Singularity copy the masculine is often described as the “active principle” and therefore someone who has a big supply of this energy within himself is very often a successful person, an achiever, someone who accomplishes goals or gets things done. To me such people always achieve success and are very energetic and active people. They have ambition, vision and drive.

Masculine energy embodies stillness and grounded awareness. Whereas the feminine flows and expands the masculine is the container for that flow.

Masculine is the “doing energy”, it initiates movement; execution, change, action. Holds space for others without needing to fix or absorb emotions (I think women find this most attractive just letting go of safety concerns in the presence of a men who embodies that energy, and just allowing him to guide her). Letting go of control to have someone dominate and control, finally allowing them to turn off the thinking part of their brain, while the men can make the decisions.

Very interested to see what this turns into.

@SaintSovereign @Fire if some of these ideas could be included it would be amazing!

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#1673

I’m confused; I thought that in the Q Customs store, there was (currently) both a Godlike Masculinity core and a Godlike Masculinity module?

And some kind of ‘bug’ where you can select Godlike Masculinity as either a core or a module at the ‘Build’ stage, but can only select Godlike Masculinity core - but not the modiule - in the ‘License’ stage?

Because I’ve definitely built a Custom that - as far as I’m aware - contains Godlike Masculinity as a module only.

Have I misunderstood something? Can you clarify please?

And, importantly, if Godlike Masculinity IS currently available as a module, what will happen to the module once the new version of the core is released?
An update/upgrade to the module? Or module stays the same or gets removed?

Personally, I would love to see the new Godlike Masculinity be available in a module format, since it’s a great addition to healing/alpha/seduction/BDLM customs, without taking up a whole slot.

Or even better, as a module (or a Synergy module) AND an Essence, for maximum flexibility :eyes: :pray: :joy:

#1674

I would like the GLM container some power dynamics stuff from Emperor will to power and Emperor Art of war. Not all scripts but the idea to not need to dominate or show off all the time, knowing exactly the moment to act and the moments to ignore, knowing when to play and when to not get drawn into a play.

Hope you get what I mean.
Probably in stoicism written more clearly.

Taking the ego out of everything but keeping the own goals intact. Become the machine.

You can call the sub “Arnold”.

#1675

I think this naturally comes from allowing the intelligence of masculine energy to truly and instinctively work through us. Just look at the animal kingdom, the animals did not read any philosophies on how to behave but when a Lion shows up they just know to be careful.

It is an universal energy that manifests and represents itself in different ways. But the essence of it remains the same. Whether we are aware of it or not, it is inside of us and in moments of need we call upon it for our safety and protection such as when a father protects his child… this is one such specific scenarios when the biology truly taps into it and when even the otherwise most coward individual would forget about his own safety or even the possibility of a concern for his life to protect his own off-spring.

When your life is truly threatened, masculine energy will also show up through the mechanism of adrenaline and whatnot to assure you can protect yourself. In other ways it will be there as hormones such as DHT and testosterone but these are just reflections in the body of an energy that is part of you and an energy has intelligence. Most men never studied any power plays in the past but just knew how to achieve power for example. They did things by instinct or intuition. It was just there for them.

I think personally we have to stay true to our own instincts at times.

So I have written some of my ideas here down, I hope they are useful and can contribute to this wonderful subliminal. Masculinity can be approached in so many ways and if this program can get to the core and essence of it, it can manifest in truly wonderful ways for people who want to explore that.

I am suddenly getting a lot of ideas right now. I also think masculinity is meant to serve & protect, lead or build. Like the army who protects their nation, or the police force, firefighters etc who are all their to protect their nation. In the healthy expression it should serve the greater good not conquer the world and dominate.

Masculinity creates safety through presence and grounds while anchoring chaotic or emotional energy without fixing or controlling it. Just presence. A quality most women innately lack which is why they need a masculine counterpart. However I do believe in evolving beyond such need a becoming a wholesome individual who has both masculine and feminine energies developed and fully integrated within oneself.

I think presence and grounding are probably at the heart of true masculine energy. They are essentially the spine of it all, the rest just flows from this such as leadership, direction, action all flows from this stable inner core. It is like a silent strength that is fully here and now and takes everything in as a witness with undivided attention. Taking everything in, without being consumed by it.

Full-bodied aliveness rooted in stillness and attention. So this presence is naturally attractive to women as it provides safety and trust. A sort of “hey I am here fully with you, you can relax now, you are safe”…

Anyway to be unshakeable under pressure you need to be fully grounded and present and that is what masculinity is in its embodiment.

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#1676

Bro I added so much I hope this helps these are some of the most prevalent concepts that came to mind when thinking back on masculinity in my life and brainstorming a bit I hope this can contribute because I truly believe manhood is necessary in todays world.

Personally I see myself lacking and think it is probably some of the biggest reasons I am not overcoming challenges in my life as much as I want hence why this encouragement.

I have been watching army videos of special forces for the last 5 days and did not know about this program at all so perhaps this is one of those presults things I am tapping into but really feeling this one will be an astronomical change for most men out there! None teaches you how to be a man anymore nowadays!

To wrap up, when you are present you become trustworthy and when you are grounded you become unshakeable. Together they form the core of true masculine power… Not loud or aggressive, but calm, focused, embodied, and deeply, quietly alive. Above all a great listener as in your quiet presence everything is fully absorbed and taken in!

When a relationship with your mother or father is bad it often reveals your hidden relationship with your own masculine and feminine side. All a father wants is his boy to be independant and financially secure and then he can rest and peace knowing his has fulfilled his duty. I personally strongly believe, on a spiritual level, the relationship we have with our own father is the relationship we have with our own masculinity and how that reflects in our life. How well you got everything together in your life is very much a result of that.

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#1677

Balance that with action and ambition from alignemnent, one of my challenge is moving in ambitious way.

The original GLM definitly had that “go get it” ambition and masculine side. For whatever reason, whenever I ran GLM I also had a boosted libido :rofl:

@SaintSovereign Any reason why original GLM might boost my libido more than other alpha titles? And will those component of GLM stay in the revamp version?

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#1678

I basically explained it a bit in my post by stating that masculinity and libido are chemically linked through testosterone which is the primary hormone responsible for sex drive.

Besides that masculinity will generate A LOT of energy and life force. That is only the surface of it but essentially it is the yang energy, yang energy is not just drive, it also directs your sex drive or your drive to accomplish goals, or you drive to create something whether a physical child or a child in terms of an idea.

Libido is the raw fuel behind ambition, vitality, action taking etc, which is why repressed sexual energy always leads to passiveness.

Masculinity is deeply connected to sexual energy because both emerge from the same core energetic source.

Jing (sexual energy) is the fuel and yang (masculine energy) is the fire to the fuel, I think they are two components that become one when acting on ones goals to accomplish something.

Without Jing, yang burns out quickly, and without Yang, Jing does not get harnessed properly to actively use it towards a goal. Healthy masculinity basically requires a strong sex drive or libido. History shows how most very successful men are masculine and have a high sex drive. They are deeply connected in many ways.

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#1679

Probably a boost in testosterone,

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#1680

I don’t get the same effect from all “alpha” titles.

GLM works equals or better for me than titles like Wanted, primal or even emperor.

@Adi Hopefully those principles are preserved in GLM :wink: - Very excited to have more info regarding this title!

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#1681

Yeah… Wanted directly helped me land multiple jobs and get promoted.

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#1682

So is the full list coming anytime today? As tuesday has passed,

Unless beyond limitless,wanted,Elizabeth and cleopatra,glm,renaissence man,ultimate artist was the full list

#1683

Or the copy

#1684

I think the announcement is already done, not sure they’ll announce more titles so soon.

Saint said Tuesday for the announcement, then realised he had said 1 or two days last week so he did the announcement earlier.

Most likely the next announcement will be related to GLM and Wanted since they are out of competition titles, still part of Fire vs. Saint round!

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#1685

Hello everyone,

I’m so sorry if this is the wrong section, but I was hoping to get Saint attention regarding my order.

My order number is #2030124, which I placed on July 15, 2025. I was just wondering if there’s an estimated date for when I can expect to receive it.

I completely understand if a moderator needs to delete this post afterward.

Thank you for your understanding and help!

#1686

This. We’re actively working on the list, but please be patient. When deciding on an order, we also have to choose based on what new tech could emerge from each title that will go into the next and the such. Isn’t just a selection based on theme. There’s A LOT that goes into these decisions.

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#1687

If this is a custom, it’s 5-7 business days. Sometimes we complete orders on the weekends (well, about 75% of the time), but when things get backed up, we have to slow down a bit. Technically, this is the 4th business day, so expect it today or tomorrow.

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#1688

All the updates will now have Anti-Recon script?

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#1689

Absolutely.

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