Main Disc. Thread - Fire vs. Saint Round 4 [The Battle is On!]

[xanderson83]

Sex mastery x upgrade …long overdue , the current version has stopped working

[Tobyone]

@Sub.Zero

I noticed certain similarities to what you wrote, and I wondered whether the new recon tech contributed to your journey as much as it has to mine.

Definitely it did something, whether it be sticking to it when things get rough to resolve, or in my case opening up my mind even more to polarities and questioning the process behind the processes

[Hoppa]

I wonder how our models of thinking affect the effectiveness?

I see “reality” in a way, that there are no absolute truths.

I’m constantly tuning my mental map of reality, based on the input I get daily. Doesn’t really matter what topic, it needs to fit into my understanding of reality. If something doesn’t, but it still feels feasible, I adjust my view.

I see everything as possibilities. For example, I’m pretty sure that you guys actually exist. Lets say 70% probability that you are real people, and not just figments of my imagination. (I’m sitting in some carton board box, imagining writing this message ).

Or something silly: The moon is made out of cheese. Tiny probability, I’m more likely to win the jackpot in lottery. But still, I can imagine it being true.

To me, the only thing I’m certain of (90% +) is that I do not have enough information to know what the absolute truth is.

Then again, I also am not so surprised if something does happen. And I can adjust to the “new” reality really fast.

Interesting to hear if there are any similarities in thinking models we have?

[oloy]

@Hoppa

I’m constantly tuning my mental map of reality, based on the input I get daily. Doesn’t really matter what topic, it needs to fit into my understanding of reality. If something doesn’t, but it still feels feasible, I adjust my view.

Great post.
I do the same thing.
But my first principles (the foundations I based my further thinking on) were wrong.
So, I’m doing dragon reborn st4 and phoenix for couple more years until these foundations are solid. (I’ve done dragon reborn st4 for a year now).

[GoldenTiger]

Depends what’s in Rich : Trader Might want to complement it with other things.

[Sub.Zero]

@Sub.Zero

I’ve switched my approach to the point where I let the ‘beast beneath’ (my unknown self) guide me, and I do my best not to fall off its back. I’ve found that the new recon tech really helps with that—it allows me to feel ‘the beast’ way better.

It gets rough from time to time, but I trust the ‘beast,’ even when the ride becomes unpleasant—especially when it gets wilder during recon episodes.

I see that others experience that too:

@HyperMan

Lately, I feel like I lost the remote control of my whole life. It feels like something higher took it but I don’t know where it will take me.

So right now I just need to relax, trust and ride the waves with its mysterious guidance.

My daily life is becoming a full-blown manifestation parade of multiple paradoxes due to the seemingly opposite & previous unlikely occurrences happening one after another.

Ok, go! Let’s go!

[Judoka]

How much longer for spartan and hero lol

[HyperMan]

Yes, however I’m not using any title with the new antirecon tech.

Also it’s not my lower Self (the beast) running the show in my case.

[Martin]

@Sub.Zero

I let the ‘beast beneath’ (my unknown self) guide me, and I do my best not to fall off its back. I’ve found that the new recon tech really helps with that—it allows me to feel ‘the beast’ way better.

This one,
How do you know this beast will take you somewhere you like?
As in, your choice of life, your lifestyle, let me be blunt, I like it but is unconventional and can I say amoral with current values? I am struggling with this for myself because I want to do things that society would judge as non conventional, or maybe amoral (religious) or whatever. How would I know they are aligned with the beast as you call it? Specially when you have everywhere here or irl hollier than thou people. What make you think what the beast lead you is somewhere you like, or something all the preachy people around want to lead you.

[Prioritas]

Within the next 12 hours probably

[Malkuth]

Things are gradually getting a bit more raw and rough around here.

People are verbally snapping and slapping a bit more.

Let’s not use this forum to fight. Use it to support growth.

[Niles]

Lots of drops recently and coming up = lots of recon for the time being .

Sure things will return to normal.

[Sub.Zero]

@Martin

@SwedishBuddha

I don’t think “hard gainer” is a thing unless you believe it to be a thing.

But if you go deeper than that, it’s probably not tied to “I believe I’m a hard gainer” with subs,
but more the conviction that change is hard.

I’ve decided to repost what I posted and deleted a couple of hours ago. Perhaps you will find some value in it, mate:

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@RVconsultant

@SaintSovereign

the “hard gainer” label isn’t quite accurate and should be investigated more

What I’m posting here is an attempt to understand this hard gainer phenomenon, and not to single out any one.

Over the years I’ve been here, there seem to be a percentage of people who have difficulty getting certain results.

It’s low transliminality, not really being a hard gainer, in my opinion.

However, @Hoppa doesn’t belong to this group, which I called “monads” - people with low levels of transliminality.

It’s about getting more attuned with the unfolding experience and inner wisdom. I think Alchemist and all spiritual titles (and love titles) could help with that.

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It’s tied to your question for me:

@Martin

How do you know this beast will take you somewhere you like?

I never know with certainty where the ‘beast beneath’—my unknown self, the part of my subconscious that constitutes my Zero Point, who I truly am at my core—is guiding me, because the Unknown lies at the heart of the unfolding experience. I carry no expectations or desires when it comes to being led by my unknown self. I surrender to it with faith and try to attune myself to it and to everything it reveals within the unfolding experience.

It’s a journey of deep self-discovery and a conscious choice to align with what is revealed to me.

@Martin

As in, your choice of life, your lifestyle, let me be blunt, I like it but is unconventional and can I say amoral with current values?

It is indeed a partially irrational process. However, I wouldn’t call it amoral or evil, as I can clearly discern the effect of the ethical scripting included in every audio from SC. I see a profound ethical component in my entire growth, and the unfolding experience delivers many ethical lessons that I learn from. These are experiences and realizations that make me a better person. Literally.

@Martin

How would I know they are aligned with the beast as you call it?

The longer and deeper you’re attuned to your unknown self, the greater that knowing becomes… the greater your inner wisdom grows. I think this might be strongly related to the ethical scripting I mentioned, as it seems to help me learn a lot from my unknown self—namely, lessons I often recognize as deeply ethical. It’s like discovering a kind of goodness within the ‘beast beneath’ (your unknown self) and growing from there.

[RockyHandsome]

Once again, we appeal for calm. Riots and protests will achieve nothing. If this continues on the same trajectory, we will have no choice but to involve the National Guard.

[GoldenTiger]

I get that when people try to run more assertive titles like emperor or Khan, but damn, drops these days are spiritual in nature (Aeon and now Hero), those title should make people more centered normally.

[Sub.Zero]

@HyperMan

Yes, however I’m not using any title with the new antirecon tech.

Also it’s not my lower Self (the beast) running the show in my case.

I’m sorry for quoting you, since you don’t know the context.

By the ‘beast beneath,’ I meant your unknown self—the part of the subconscious that constitutes your Zero Point, alongside your self-image.

I mentioned the recon tech as a component that helps me discover and align with my unknown self.

[SoulFire]

Kiss the beast to reveal its beauty.

Edit: coincidentally this post is the 999 post in this thread, look in the mirror 🪞, a beautiful coincidence.

[Sub.Zero]

@SoulFire

Kiss the beast to reveal its beauty.

lol That’s hilarious.

@SoulFire

Edit: coincidentally this post is the 999 post in this thread, look in the mirror 🪞, a beautiful coincidence.

That’s even more hilarious. Kissing the devil to reveal his beauty lol.

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To try to make it clearer for everyone—although I suppose most of you won’t find this useful—I understand the Zero Point (ZP) as being comprised of two essential components:

1. What you know and believe about yourself
2. What you don’t know, or aren’t aware you believe, about yourself

The first is your self-image. The second is your unknown self.

Scripting interacts with your Zero Point—both parts—altering the unfolding experience (especially with the help of NSE).

The unfolding experience is a kind of truth trial, where certain parts of your unknown self become consciously perceived. These perceptions are then verified against the unfolding experience. Once (and if) they pass verification, they become part of your self-image.

However, some parts of the unknown self remain hidden and can only be ‘perceived’ and verified by our inner wisdom. Once (and if) they pass this deeper level of verification, they become part of our inner wisdom.

[SaintSovereign]

@Malkuth is right.

I’m not even sure what the various conflicts are about, but please relax and understand that people are just giving opinions and feedback based upon their own life experience, which is exactly what we’re asking everyone to do.

[bujin]

Is pre-recon a thing?