Main Disc. Thread - Fire vs. Saint Round 4 [The Battle is On!]

In the context of the UK, yes, that was true in the 1960s mainly because the majority of large organizations were owned by the government.
However, these organizations were often inefficient, and taxpayer money was used to keep them afloat, even when they were operating at a loss. Then Thatcher came along and aimed to improve efficiency through privatization.

Which made absolute sense more competition less inefficiency, loyalty to the shareholder = employees must work harder and meet targets.

Not be like lazy f**kers who worked under goverment rule they didnt give a shit as they knew they had a job fir life.

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Another fun fact:

100% of the people who do not understand the difference between correlation and causality DIE

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Although I can’t speak to the UK’s situation, “laziness” isn’t a function of private or public ownership. It’s a function of someone’s level of consciousness. I’ve seen really good workers as well as those who just do the minimum required not to get fired in both public and private employment spaces.

And yes I agree with the idea that “grinding” is a new concept. It’s a narrative shift, designed to fulfill an agenda, and not a timeless truth.

To bring it back to the subs, the level of self awareness makes a lot of difference in how people act, and some of the subs like RoM, HeO, Alchemist and others do help in raising that. Anything that helps challenge your preconceptions about how you think about the world. Your relationship to work, being of service, money and resources, investigating your attitudes to these can make a big difference in your manifestation.

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Yet another fun fact:
The community has been wating for the announcement in this thread for over two weeks now.

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Another fun fact:
Nearly every hand you’ve ever shaken has had a dick in it at one point or another.

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I dont know man, but considering they will have to also relase Hero Multistager 2,new beyond limitless and potentially hero origins update it might be a while,i think ill just make a stark+wanted custom now and update when the sub gets updated lol

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My friend I think the working environment makes a huge difference to the productivity of the workers in fact much more so I feel then any subliminal product.

I speak for the goverment departments in the uk and the netherlands. Shoddy, employees in these oeganizations have thr luxury to hide behind the process and so very little work is done. Whilst the team leads dont give a toss.

So anyway enough said.back to Sub talk.

Stark Volume 2 “The Blinding Light” where are you :smile:

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I agree with this, plus the fact that it’s near impossible to fire anyone, people get the job and just stop working, apart from doing the very bare minimum.

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Protestant Work Ethic. It still strongly influences many people.

Bro predicted Aeon

Well it’s very easy to blame an external problem or entity. That said, I hear you on working environment and process/procedure. However, I can tell you that when I worked in the public sector, I stayed there as long as I did precisely because it is the people and how they make use of the resources they have that makes the difference. Having skilled people especially in government call centres or in customer facing roles who genuinely care about other peoples outcomes makes a big difference to the quality of service in those areas, simply by way of numbers and quality of services which drives not just customer satisfaction but efficiency. A lot of the inefficiencies in providing services comes due to repeat calls/appointments because someone didn’t do their job right the first time, or gave someone wrong information. Having been in the belly of the beast and also seen it from the outside (and other peoples experiences), I’m saying in both private and public sectors efficiency is a function of whether the people in the organizations strive for excellence, no matter how inefficient the tools they have at their disposal at the time are.

I mainly point that out because “being legendary” is easily held back by making excuses about why you can’t be. A shift in consciousness to push past those issues can make a big difference.

Side note:

DId I miss something? From what Saint said, it’s Hero, not Stark: TLTB. :stuck_out_tongue:

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ah okay maybe its called Stark White For Reality cannot remember.

Gandalf the White: the Culdron. But that’s Fire’s title known as AEON.

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It’s not. Only a new word. My grandfather was grinding his whole life. He called it surviving.
He got up at 5 took care of the livestock and then went to work. After work he went on the fields. He worked until he had go to bed.
He did that for decades.
Next to no free time because of grinding through life.

Perhaps my concept of grinding is wrong, but I can’t see a big difference.

And about work ethics in public services, there’s a famous book about German agencies. The author describes how she was shocked to see her colleagues starting the workday with a long nap before they start with a collective breakfast.
Naps during the day are the rule rather than the exception. There’s even a rhyme that translates like “If I don’t wanna do it, I’ll just send it to someone else”.

I don’t say it’s the same in every country, but being a tenured public servant, often leads to suboptimal performance.
I read an article last year about a public servant that didn’t show up for work for ten years in Italy and they didn’t even notice. When they noticed, he got a pay cut. I don’t know if he started to show up at work after that.

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So Stark will become AEON ?

Never. I’m so sorry, mate.

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I’ll make this my last post about the subject, because I don’t want to derail the thread, but I do feel pretty passionate about this topic.

This whole idea about the public service being a cushy job, under-performing, under achieving and still getting paid for it, this is a relatively new concept. It is not a given, and certainly never used to be a common place, although in some places this is the stereotype or the norm that has emerged due to various social and political factors.

Nor was my last couple of posts specifically about the public service, although I was attempting to break stereotypes by pointing out that this is not an across the board condition along the lines of what Rocky mentioned, “lazy f**kers”. I was pointing out that there are lazy you-know-whats in both private and public institutions, and often it is KPI systems and abuse of that, as well as the challenge of managing a large number of people, that has resulted in this condition.

But what I was also pointing out was this whole idea that a person has to “grind” in order to get ahead in life, that you need to put in long torturous hours with little reward just to survive and hope to rise to the top, is a narrative, and it is a narrative which has no factual basis in reality. It is a habit or assumption developed through a collective lack of vision.

One also needs to separate the idea of having a good work ethic, of putting your all into what you do, from the idea of working long hours or repeating mindless or difficult tasks without attempting to optimize what you’re doing. Otherwise you end up with the resurgence of serfdom and the factors that made the Industrial Revolution a living nightmare.

We are currently in a world where the very idea of what work is, and what we need humans to do is shifting (something which is neither all good nor all bad, and has major red flags at the same time as it promises a revolution for those who can work with this current rather than against it which still maintaining their moral compass). What I am trying to say in the response to Rocky is: it’s not all as black and white as that particular socio-economic outlook, and we need to not be afraid to look closer at these ideas and not think in a surface level or reactionary way. If you want to manifest your dream role, some of the assumptions we make about what work is, and what good work is, and our excuses for not making the cut, are going to have to go. Because those deeply held subconscious assumptions are what will keep a person moving in the same rut without moving forward.

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Don’t compare yourself to anyone else, it is neither appropriate nor helpful. Only compare to the yesterday you. Are you today living more up to your values then yesterday, then you are on the right track. If you are not and it stays longer time like that, try to find out why.

But go out and live your life to the fullest!

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This is just what I told my colleague today.