This has been discussed ad nauseam. I’m not sure how much more @SaintSovereign and @Fire can explain this.
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Ok sorry
I must have forgot or missed it
Seriously bro, how can you forget or miss probably the one topic that has been the most discussed over the last two years?
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Quiet alot had also happened in my life the past 2 years
Yes, it is frustrating, however – let’s just recap everything quickly.
Yes, you can get great results at 30s. But the goal is to eventually raise exposure as your tolerance rises. It’s actually quite simple. The new listening recommendations will have more information on our method of doing it, but simply start at 30s and over time, move up to 1m, then 2m, etc. If you get heavy recon, cut back, then try again.
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Ok thank you
So I understand, if no recon=move up in exposure?
I been on DRR1 for 3 cycles now. First cycle I had to keep it between 3-4m. Anything over 4m was heavy recon and had to take extra rest day.
Cycle 2 was steady hovering around 4-5, medium recon.
Cycle 3 I started at 5m. I was getting very light recon, so I went up. Today was my listening day, and I listened to 8m. Previous listening day was 7m and again, very little recon.
If I don’t get any recon I will prob go up to 9m.
Is this what you mean by, gradually go up if the recon isn’t bad? Because anytime we got on the subjects of micro loops and the many stories of how people get amazing results with them, I am not sure if your micro loop sweet spot is 3m, if you’re supposed to stay at 3m forever for that title.
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For those running 30s, im genuinely inquiring, do you feel that you are getting horrible recon, or is it more of a minor irritation?
Genuinely curious as I know everyone processes differently, and I do find I still get results, often quickly with 30s loops, but I find do not expierience any debilitating recon on anything under 5-7 minuites or so and only on heavy hitting transformational subs like Emperor, Khan. Even then this seems to dissipate if I stick to the same stack over a couple cycles and follow the rotational guidelines.
Also curious about finding the sweet spot and at what “level” of recon we are supposed to cut things off at. I personally base my listening time off of my schedule, work demands, and social activities, and if it’s relatively clear I try to push the envelope more as I have more time to process, but throughout the week will generally keep things under 5 minuites so I don’t disrupt work and performance.
In general though, I don’t really expierience debilitating recon anymore, more so it seems to be: moody, brain fog, sleeping more, or just unproductive, which is sometimes hard to pin point or only attribute to the sub or there are so many factors that could contribute to those things, like staying out too late, stress, not excercising, etc.
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I remember playing a subliminal for 3 or 5 minutes increasing exposure by 30s and had heavy recon after that so was just considering playing all my subs at 30s after that and get results and no recon
Bruh, I remember 1-hour-long Qv2 times. Now it’s enough of 30 seconds 
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What if i just stick to 30s forever? From previous experience of increasing exposure i just get heavy recon each time and i dont want to go through that fuss again
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why not increase exposure so little that you don’t get heavy recon?
I had to cut back to 45 sec of AM (from 1 minute) because of heavy recon, yet at 45 sec so far it feels good
@Viktor does like 1 sec increases with some amazing results
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Im sorry but i just cant be asked tweaking my listening time anymore iv found a method that works and im going go with it im not neurotic enough to increase by 1s and assess the recon lol,many times i notice the recon when its too late
I think it takes a great deal of discipline to use Viktor’s approach of one second increases followed by assessment of recon. It also speaks to the power and crafting of the subliminals here since he is seeing results with under 10 seconds of listening time.
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Yes it does,and that discipline isnt something i have atm
Hopefully until there is a clear transparent answer
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I could be wrong but I believe that the reason why it’s not been thoroughly explained how microcloops as short as 30s work is because knowing would mean how the subliminals are made would possibly need to be revealed and I can completely respect that choice
A lot of information could be packed into 30 seconds.
I think im gonna stick with 30s until the subliminals i play get updated with zpu+anti recon then test the waters by increasing listening time
My understanding follows, and please, since I strive for accuracy, correct me if I’m wrong:
Referencing this post here -
Scripting information on any particular sub is laid out into 4 quadrants, all of which cover the same goal of the subliminal. Each quadrant dives deeper into the topic of the subliminal. I found SaintSovereign’s example of Calculus here to be illuminating.
You start the track with Starter or Brief Calculus (per his example; I think of Pre-Calculus personally though that may just have been my experience in school) at the 00:01 mark. At some point in the track, you will finish with the first quadrant and roll right into the second, then the third, etc.
Microloops work because you limit your exposure to the easiest to understand information on the subliminal topic in the subliminal track. With that said, and using the Calculus example, if you have trouble with math, it will take you a longer period of time in Starter Calculus class to get that information in your head. Moving on to Calc 1, or increasing your listening duration of any particular sub and moving into Quadrant 2, isn’t going to be beneficial since you don’t have the basics down.
There seems to be a great deal of information packed into the subs these days, as people are getting results on 15 second listens (or less!) How much information or scripting is packed into 30 seconds? I don’t know. More than enough, certainly.
My post here is a poor paraphrase of SaintSovereign in that LoveBomb post. Read that one again, por favor.
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