Main Disc. Thread - Fire vs. Saint Round 4 [The Battle is On!]

You cited my words :wink:

Btw, I’v got the most results in seduction running Wanted OG, not PS or SSX.

Lets not mix seduction and business subs.

Seriously, lets Zero Point decide what makes you most WANTed. Maybe your Zero Point will make you a billionaire running new Wanted if it decides to :slight_smile:

But adding scripting other than pure seduction/attraction is nonsense. My IMHO.

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Honestly I’m tired of doing it. One person gets flagged, a new one pops up or a repeating offenders comes back a few weeks later. Unfortunately, I found no value in doing anymore. I just rather enjoy life with the people that make me happy and share what I’ve learnt through people I’ve met and talked on the forum personally.

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I do understand your sentiment and respect it a lot cause many times the Wanted Nonchalance is the right response to such issues.

But just in case yoh feel like it, do flag next time. Lets say it is for other people’s benefit. For other people like you on the forum.

No need to do a lot of it. Just once in a while.

Either way, your life is great cause of the subs and am genuinely happy for you :pray:

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Agreed.

WANTED is a SEDUCTION sub period.

The cover art is a James Bond archetype.

Bond isn’t exactly known for crushing it at a sales job while coming home to his loving wife everyday at 7pm(this is a light hearted joke I am not jabbing shots at anyone).

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Agree. Though I think the NSE and NWE on Wanted Black is something not directly related to seduction but that add flavour of whatever (status?) to it. Would not mind those on Wanted.

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This debate is a non-issue.

WANTED was never known for potentially being too polarizing for work. Those reports were about WB. And WB is part of the Artisan line for ADVANCED subliminal users. And by this, we mean individuals who have such a grasp of self, their actions and their thoughts that they can easily counteract the effects of listening to a script with tools that helps a person develop a mysterious aura.

To my recollection, we never had an influx of customers complaining about it having work issues. With all of our mainstay / popular titles, even when we do a bold re-imagination, we attempt to maintain the same “feel” of the title that people are familiar with. Also, if you notice our pattern, with titles like Emperor, where we wouldn’t want to change it too much, when we want to explore more “Emperor” themes, we simply release another title under the brand name of Emperor (The Art of War, The Will to Power, Emperor Daddy) so that the main title still has its timeless, yet updated feel.

When it comes to the more lesser used titles, or ones that didn’t quite have a place anymore amongst the newer titles, we’re a bit more open to wide re-imagination so that it has a unique space within the product offerings.

Wanted does not have this issue. The only issue that I’ve had with Wanted, as @bombayduck pointed out upon Wanted Black’s release is that the outer expression of the two titles made WB feel more like “Wanted But Better,” and expressed concern whether the Artisan line would simply be the same title with more features, which he argued that those features could’ve been included in the original title.

While the actual script is drastically different, and he recognized that once he tried it, I absolutely agree with his assessment regarding the outer expression of the title (in regards to copy, explaining what it does, etc.) and that’s something we want to alleviate. There does need to be a greater difference between Wanted and Wanted Black that is easily discernable. This opens opportunity. Now GLM is almost complete, the core script has been completed quite some time ago, we were just waiting for the new anti-recon tech to include with it.

Wanted is still in development, with @Fire leading the charge. That being said, I’m going to open a thread where everyone can discuss these ideas. Keyword: DISCUSS. Any fights that break out will be promptly deleted. While I am inclined not to focus too much on career stuff with Wanted (and I stated my reasons earlier – we have a TON of these titles), we will consider any ideas given in that thread.

Because again, that is what makes Zero Point so effective. You have to recognize what we’ve done here – we’ve essentially created a micro version of a macro system – the nature of the planet itself. We openly invite people from around the world regardless of personal beliefs, gender, religious creed, etc. to join in the conversation and tell us what they want.

We then look for the universal message behind what’s being said. Take this into consideration when discussing: When you see “I hope Wanted can work with the career,” we interpret that as, “I want to run Wanted, but I am worried that it will disrupt the foundations and positive habits that I’ve built over time.”

That’s the kind of things we’re actually looking for, and that’s what we actually respond to. We have become incredibly skilled at this, hence why Zero Point is so effective, but it is the collaboration between producer and consumer that makes this happen so well. So, I am on “Team Let’s Worry Less About the Career Element” because I don’t think it’s a concern. I personally thought Primal would be too much for the workplace over Wanted because Primal is so sexually charged, but again – that doesn’t seem to be the case. And so, all ideas are welcome, but try to think deeply about what you’re REALLY asking for so that the community can collaborate easier.

Link: Main Dev. Thread - NEW WANTED

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Besides our talk about seduction subs.

When one partner is becoming more attractive to other sex, current partner feels very uneasy. I saw a dozen of relationship broken because of this.

Maybe partner started to earn more money and it made him more attractive, i don’t.

Why to make it worse?

Why to run Wanted being in relationship knowing that (if sub REALLY does its work as intended) will make user’s partner feel uneasy?

Woah, I thought we would have to wait weeks for GLM to come out, when will we be able to learn more about this remake?

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Sooner than you think, lol. Possibly next week.

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Bruh. @Moon

We hear you, but please cognitive of the terminology used.

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How would it Synergize with Emperor or HOM?

Oh my bad G.

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Just went and read a bit about Marcus Aurelius and into Cicero’s phylisophies, those are very interesting idea.

Curious to see also how some of those concepts will be implemented, for example the principle of moderation proned by Cicero… Can this clash with ambition of success and money? Would making 10 millions (giving a random number here) dollars make someone’s subconscious tick it as excessive?

Thinking out loud here.

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@SaintSovereign Is the updated Ascension a while away?

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I 100% agree with this

I think Wanted as seducitno sub first and foremost.

But to have Wanted Black being the extreme off-shoot into Mystery and to have Wanted be the coveted paragon of what a Woman might crave or want in a man, but have it adaptable to more scenarios rather than less calibrated would be my preference.

edit: seems this was never an issue or @Niles were your issues in work from Wanted Black or Wanted?

My understanding and hope was that the new Wanted is not Wanted Black Black- it’s not like a more extreme version of its already more extreme version.

Personally I’d love to see a focus on physical shifting and having it be highly adaptable in high trust scenearious as well, relationship and business (NOT focusing on them but adaptable to them) while retaining

Agreed here as well.

Although Wanted Black does mix very well with my stack for B2C sales.

agreed , unless your a full time seducer, independently wealthy, or an artist/influencer/career based on sexual identity soely it can’t be the sole focus

James Bond is highly trustworthy and seductive as well as blends in with executives/business- I’d love this feature to be in the new Wanted.

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James, how are you doing? You’ve been real quiet for a while

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Wow a New Godlike Masculinity am I reading that right? Where are my glasses…

Break limiting beliefs. Incredible frame. Invincibility. Strength. Power. Courage. Honor. Other virtues. Basically the Trump embodiment of a masculine figure. Not to say that he is flawless but yeah. Absolute charisma and influence. Animal magnetism. Evoking that feeling in others that they want to be around you because you are so powerful, the center of attraction and know how to handle and deal with situations. Have great decision-making. Calm under pressure, grounded, relaxed, at ease, trust in yourself and your capabilities, pure stoicism.

Indepedence, autonomy, self-reliance, assertive, logic, rationality, goal-oriented and mission or purpose-driven, focus, drive, leadership, disciplined, structured, organised. Many qualities and aspects of oneself may be characterised as masculine but essentially they are all representative of masculine energy, or the flow of masculine energy within oneself. To develop and embody our masculine side without overtly imbalancing our feminine side but have both firmly active is what makes a wholesome individual.

Resurrecting the authentic core of the masculine essence in a healthy and natural way. Allowing any listener to come back into touch with that essence of masculine energy within themselves and shape them in any way they desire. (without forsaking or dominating their feminine side). Qualities of empathy and sensitiveness, expressiveness, flow, creativity, etc

With the raging decline in testosterone and men becoming so lost without purpose and ideals to live for the society has definitely seen a huge increase in oppression and a lack of masculinity to reinforce itself. This program could have great potential to make a difference and help those who want truly recalibrate themselves to their masculine essence.

Masculinity comes in many forms, but essentially it is an energy. Coming in touch with that energy and allowing it to flow through us is what essentially transforms us into what is considered a masculine figure over time. Most us men have lost that connection for some reason or it is very low. Perhaps modern day society has suppressed it or it is no longer so much needed?

add more to the list and contribute…

I would personally love to see a component that is all about the essence of masculine energy, channeling it, deepening our connection with it, growing it, evolving it… allowing it to shape us into the masculine figure we desire to become and dream of embodying. True masculine embodiment has to have masculine energy prominently active and present in one’s being.

To have that true electrifying energy of a masculine charged man with a presence that is tangibly felt and makes time stands still for a moment!

Also last thing is something about respect. I always noticed among men there is a thing about respect. Groups of men will exchange respect. To understand the true nature of respect and how to properly exchange it among each other? How to earn it or how to demand it, how to give it, how to manifest respect in you from others, how to be respected. Just a suggestion perhaps it is not fitting for this program but it came to my mind. Being respected definitely goes a long way in life.

As pointed out in the Alchemist Singularity copy the masculine is often described as the “active principle” and therefore someone who has a big supply of this energy within himself is very often a successful person, an achiever, someone who accomplishes goals or gets things done. To me such people always achieve success and are very energetic and active people. They have ambition, vision and drive.

Masculine energy embodies stillness and grounded awareness. Whereas the feminine flows and expands the masculine is the container for that flow.

Masculine is the “doing energy”, it initiates movement; execution, change, action. Holds space for others without needing to fix or absorb emotions (I think women find this most attractive just letting go of safety concerns in the presence of a men who embodies that energy, and just allowing him to guide her). Letting go of control to have someone dominate and control, finally allowing them to turn off the thinking part of their brain, while the men can make the decisions.

Very interested to see what this turns into.

@SaintSovereign @Fire if some of these ideas could be included it would be amazing!

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I’m confused; I thought that in the Q Customs store, there was (currently) both a Godlike Masculinity core and a Godlike Masculinity module?

And some kind of ‘bug’ where you can select Godlike Masculinity as either a core or a module at the ‘Build’ stage, but can only select Godlike Masculinity core - but not the modiule - in the ‘License’ stage?

Because I’ve definitely built a Custom that - as far as I’m aware - contains Godlike Masculinity as a module only.

Have I misunderstood something? Can you clarify please?

And, importantly, if Godlike Masculinity IS currently available as a module, what will happen to the module once the new version of the core is released?
An update/upgrade to the module? Or module stays the same or gets removed?

Personally, I would love to see the new Godlike Masculinity be available in a module format, since it’s a great addition to healing/alpha/seduction/BDLM customs, without taking up a whole slot.

Or even better, as a module (or a Synergy module) AND an Essence, for maximum flexibility :eyes: :pray: :joy:

I would like the GLM container some power dynamics stuff from Emperor will to power and Emperor Art of war. Not all scripts but the idea to not need to dominate or show off all the time, knowing exactly the moment to act and the moments to ignore, knowing when to play and when to not get drawn into a play.

Hope you get what I mean.
Probably in stoicism written more clearly.

Taking the ego out of everything but keeping the own goals intact. Become the machine.

You can call the sub “Arnold”.

I think this naturally comes from allowing the intelligence of masculine energy to truly and instinctively work through us. Just look at the animal kingdom, the animals did not read any philosophies on how to behave but when a Lion shows up they just know to be careful.

It is an universal energy that manifests and represents itself in different ways. But the essence of it remains the same. Whether we are aware of it or not, it is inside of us and in moments of need we call upon it for our safety and protection such as when a father protects his child… this is one such specific scenarios when the biology truly taps into it and when even the otherwise most coward individual would forget about his own safety or even the possibility of a concern for his life to protect his own off-spring.

When your life is truly threatened, masculine energy will also show up through the mechanism of adrenaline and whatnot to assure you can protect yourself. In other ways it will be there as hormones such as DHT and testosterone but these are just reflections in the body of an energy that is part of you and an energy has intelligence. Most men never studied any power plays in the past but just knew how to achieve power for example. They did things by instinct or intuition. It was just there for them.

I think personally we have to stay true to our own instincts at times.

So I have written some of my ideas here down, I hope they are useful and can contribute to this wonderful subliminal. Masculinity can be approached in so many ways and if this program can get to the core and essence of it, it can manifest in truly wonderful ways for people who want to explore that.

I am suddenly getting a lot of ideas right now. I also think masculinity is meant to serve & protect, lead or build. Like the army who protects their nation, or the police force, firefighters etc who are all their to protect their nation. In the healthy expression it should serve the greater good not conquer the world and dominate.

Masculinity creates safety through presence and grounds while anchoring chaotic or emotional energy without fixing or controlling it. Just presence. A quality most women innately lack which is why they need a masculine counterpart. However I do believe in evolving beyond such need a becoming a wholesome individual who has both masculine and feminine energies developed and fully integrated within oneself.

I think presence and grounding are probably at the heart of true masculine energy. They are essentially the spine of it all, the rest just flows from this such as leadership, direction, action all flows from this stable inner core. It is like a silent strength that is fully here and now and takes everything in as a witness with undivided attention. Taking everything in, without being consumed by it.

Full-bodied aliveness rooted in stillness and attention. So this presence is naturally attractive to women as it provides safety and trust. A sort of “hey I am here fully with you, you can relax now, you are safe”…

Anyway to be unshakeable under pressure you need to be fully grounded and present and that is what masculinity is in its embodiment.

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