The Ultima is stage 4 in Ultima format and is a more narrow version of it.
Dragon Reborn will cover all of this. I can’t personally guarantee it but if anything is here in SubClub that is best suited to handle this, it is Dragon Reborn. So far it is the best tech to handle mental, emotional, physical and spiritual healing.
I think SaintSovereign and Fire are working on improving physical results but until the next upgrade comes, I am sticking with DR to help me, especially on the physical level.
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That would be fantastic indeed. I wanna have at least one sub of that kind in my library and it would be great if DR could be upgraded towards physical healing.
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SaintSovereign has assured me that Dragon Reborn will give physical results (at least it will help maximize Physical Healing). The upgrade I was talking about is something SubClub is still researching. I don’t know if it will end up in an upgraded DR or whether the new research will end up in another title like Project Hero and/or PRIMARCH or even something else entirely. All I can say is “stay tuned!” 
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I can’t really talk about physical healing as I’ve been doing Dragon Reborn for a few days now but everywhere I pretty feel it when I’m listening is all the areas that are sore, tense or injured - especially my knees.
I’m sure it will physically heal you as well as mentally, emotionally and spiritually.
I’ll keep updating on the physical aspect but my knees have felt better on it.
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Did somebody try the Dragon Reborn Ultima version yet? If so, what are your initial effects?
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Think of the Ultima as that hypnotic catchphrase that re-activates your Dragon Reborn programming once it has been properly laid down.
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Not gonna lie - I would love to test only the Ultima…
This is a pretty cool piece of machinery to be sure:
But it means so much more when you also already own this:
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Lol, I thought as I was scrolling that the second picture would be an instruction manual
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the Ultima of Dragon Reborn — it is an extremely narrow acting version of Dragon Reborn, and you will want to reap the full, wide benefits of ST4 and all the previous stages. As any other Ultima, use it as a supplement to your main stack. Of course, these are recommendations – you are always free to experiment.
It doesn’t look like a refresher to me. ST4 can be used as a refresher.
Yes. But I played DU on the same days that I played D4.
It helped ease the feeling of overload, but beyond that I have no distinctions to share.
I’ve switched to D3 now as my interest is in that stage exclusively.
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@Simon - according to you, do you think Dragon Reborn ST2: Dragon Blood is more suited for physical healing? When I read the sales page, it seems so but am not sure.
From the description, it would seem so. Yes.
It also seems like it builds on the foundation of Dragon Fire. So I won’t recommend skipping stage 1. 
D3 sounds like a unique standalone product though - with a totally different approach compared to the previous two stages. 
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I thought so too. Will wait out Dragon Fire to reach Dragon Blood. Thanks.
Or you can stack both! 
Or round robin them every other day. 
Whatever you can handle. 
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Can you please elaborate on your first initial effects of D4 or DU for that matter? I feel that with the first loop of a new sub, you always get a pretty clear picture where the journey will be heading.
@Malkuth Your comparison totally cracked me up haha ^^^
I am currently having no interest to go on the Dragon Reborn journey, as I feel this is such a profound subliminal, it would be a waste to only run each stage for one month and then proceed. I would rather take my time with each stage but I am having other plans for now.
However, there is one statement that totally intrigues me:
I feel like this is exactly what Dragon Ultima is going to be doing, being a narrow version of Dragon Reborn. And that is very similar to the way Khan works. Khan will push and help you no matter what you do, because of the way it is scripted it will guide you to BECOME the most badass coolest powerful man WHAT EVER THIS MEANS TO YOU. That’s why I love Khan so much. I can use it for women, wealth, studying, socializing, or just general self improvement. There are no limits!. And I feel with Dragon Ultima it could be the same, creating the ultimate path for reaching your fullest potential.
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