Quite impressive thanks for the explanation.
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@lovage why did you switch from emperor? was it slow for you ? you didnt feel any push towards work like you said before?
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I knew from the get go I’ll at least test drive khan zp.
reasons why I gave up emp:
- I love stark zp: it was either stark or enp that goes away
- After a month of emp zp, I started to grid my teeth
- I always feel a bit anxious when running emp
Productivity wise emp zo was ok, I just prefer commanders approach to productivity.
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Hahahahah this resonates with me way too much 
Any update @lovage?
Have stark or commander decrease alpha vibe from khan?
What benefits have you noticed with this stack?
I’m running equal number of loops for Khan, Stark and Commander.
Definitely less playful from my Stark-Wanted and even Stark-Emperor stacks. A good balance.
- Verbal fluency from Stark is there, same with cognitive effects
- I purposely do not react to situations, eg not saying a word when I don’t like when someone asks me thibngs, just to create incomfortable silences. They work, most of the times, people appologise or rephase things
- Productivity through the roof ( I want it lower)
- A boss in bed, rock hard erections. Also from Stark-Khan my dirty talk is next level
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My medium term objectives changed: I’m working to launch a new tech company with two associates. In addition to my day to day job. So that means I’ll move to my “grind my ass off” stack (more details below).
Review after 1 month with this stack:
- I got more and more serious. it’s weird that Khan ZP makes me more serious than Emperor ZP. I like it, but also (like on QV2) miss joie de vivre in my daily life
- easily sidetracked from morning workouts. Commander did a fair job for discipline, but from 6 workouts a week I drooped to 2-3. I do understand the context changed as well, since I’m working 12-16 hours a day. That’s why I NEED workouts even more
- as expected, sex life was amazing. Kinky, dominant sex is the norm
- productivity wise: while I work a lot, I easily get sidetracked, unfocused. This is the main reason I’ll remove Khan and replace it with Emperor.
- good verbal fluency, but also decreasing from where I started
So, I’ll continue with a new stack: Emp-Stark-Daredevil
Emperor: focus, workouts, overall toughness
Stark: them brainz
Daredevil: enjoy each day
We’re still in the product design phase, with A LOT of bizdev activities in the next months, so I do need that social part and daredevil should help.
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What is bizdev?
That’s a really cool stack. I’ve had Emp and Daredevil together and they are an excellent complement of each other. Daredevil really does allow you to enjoy each moment joie de vivre, and also if your tech company involves people/sales/marketing (which essentially every company does) Daredevil makes you REALLY good with people.
I’m surprised you dropped Commander since it’s been such a staple for you. I love that sub a lot as well and looking for a way to bring it back into my stack in the future.
@Seeker I believe he means business development.
I see. Thank you.
To experience this “joie de vivre” you speak of, the alpha programs need to be further diluted.
Because, the only joy in life, is PROGRESSION. The Alpha titles harshness, in other words, is the subliminal putting you on top of the world, you attract exactly what you are, so you take on the complete mental landscape of someone at the top.
Someone at the top doesn’t experience life like mere peasants do.
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I assume you talk from experince.
Some day you realize the pointlessness of This Pursuit and free yourself of comparing yourself.
Because if you compare yourself as a king over peasants . Are you not just a Peasant playing king?
And also if you can see yourself higher as some people you can Also see yourself as below people. So it’s just shackles.
To be the highest status you stop comparing your status and just accept that you are a king.
No comparison with anyone but yourself.
You are a king end of story . No standing above others, Because then other can stand over you.
Free yourself of this useless duality.
And yes the grammar is awful autocorrect on phone don’t agree with me.
Best of luck on your journey
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I must agree with you on this one, Alphas don’t have that much fun. For them it’s about discipline and focus. For example WANTED’s light-heartedness dilutes the masculine power, but replaces it with the feminine type, even EB:TOG has a bit of feminine side, the whole push pull it create within others towards you.
I am kind of certain tha WANTED has some parts of joie de vivre.
PCC: Can be a versatile tool to use your masculinity and femininity when needed. You don’t wanna get your ass kicked while confronting someone more powerful than yourself, or DO YOU?
But calling others peasant is wrong, theoritically and morally. They also contribute their share, so you are wrong on this one.
You know fun would be the wrong word because alphas can and do have “fun”
Anything can be put in the fun category
New challenges can be fun
What others may define as fun might not be what alphas define as fin
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Please stop assigning social classes to people or announcing heirarchies based on what you want to experience.
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I agree
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I dont think there is a need to choose for life. Now I’m in a place in my life when I want to enjoy my time, have a laugh, spend time with family and talk for the sake of talking with the people who raised me.
Does this make me “less alpha”? I honestly dont give a shit, its more important what I want. Its the only thing that matters.
Will I go for a couple of months after a super disciplined, serious stack? yeah, if it aligns with what I want in my life, not to be “more alpha”
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Hi Lovage its always great to hear your insights welcome back to forum 
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I have to concur stark has always been my favorite.
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Lolol, you can do whatever you please, my friend. That wasn’t my point.
I’m just making sure the alpha products don’t get diluted.