When using Asc I felt an urge to go to a high class clothes shop, I didn’t want to go, because I have planned to do that only in a few months and it is not a priority, but I couldn’t resist. I felt forced to look at and analyze the clothes, but fortunately I was able to resist buying them. Anyway I wasted my time.
When using Asc, I looked up for new places to eat in my area (and it felt forced), even though I already know there are no more good places around to eat. In the end it was time wasted walking around the streets, instead of having lunch.
When using PS I felt an urge to go to bars and night clubs, even though I don’t like the environment on those places, because I don’t like to be around people when they’re drinking.
At this stage I want to focus on my tasks related to finding a job, but I can’t stop doing introspection about previous interactions with women. The introspections could be done at the end of the day, or while sleeping, but it looks like my brain is in autopilot mode doing them now (and overdoing them).
If that is what you feel, please introspect on why only these locations? You will realise that is what you feel about these things at the shadow/subconscious level and you can make changes. These programs never infringe upon your free will. they only bring out what is within - but can you face it and make changes? That is the question.
Years ago I had a rather strong realization that bubbled up from my SubC… it coincided with reading “The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up”, which I read, and then immediately re-read 2 more times, because the idea had hooked my brain.
I realized that many of the things in my life did not ‘spark joy’, so I started eliminating them… from our modest 2br apartment, we packed up so many bags and boxes to donate to the salvation army that we had to hire a van. But more importantly, I quit both of the NGOs I was involved with (1 of which I was regional president of, a position that had previously led to meeting some very interesting people, including RFK Jr, who was giving a keynote speech at a conference I was attending, and he actually mentioned the conversation we’d had earlier, in the keynote, which was rather cool…) and just cut ties with nearly ALL of my social circle at the same time.
Did I consciously “want” to do those things? Uhh… I’d have said no, but I guess on some level I did, because I did do those things… my SubC realized there was a fundamental difference in goals and values between that life and what I truly wanted, so I had to cut it all loose to grow. There was more going on behind the scenes at the time, but this part is what’s relevant here. I think.
That was many years before I discovered subliminals in general, let alone SC, but I hope it’s a somewhat helpful example of the SubC deciding it knows what’s best for the goals you truly want rather than what your conscious mind thinks. Subliminals, especially SC ones, don’t force your will; they just nudge and empower your own mind to do what it already knows it wants.
There’s no scripting in Ascension whatsoever involving going to a clothing shop and making a purchase there. Nor a cologne shop or anything. The scripting simply suggests to improve your fashion sense in the manner that fits your personal style. No recommendations are given, including how to achieve this.
There’s no scripting in Ascension at all involving this. Ascension doesn’t even contain much scripting to “get out there” and date. It is mainly focused on wealth and inner resilience, with a bit of romance (comparatively to something like Emperor).
There is no scripting regarding bars and night clubs at all in the entire script. No locations are specified for anything. The scripting simply – as all our titles involving this subject – to go where you can best meet the women that fit your lifestyle.
Primal Seduction has a skills-based element, which – as with all our skills based titles - helps you analyze past encounters for future success, but this scripting is NSE based, meaning the eureka moments will occur on the fly, when you’re actually engaging in a “seductive” pursuit.
It would make no sense whatsoever to specify exact places and locations given the global diversity of our customer base, many in places with strong conservative cultures, or cultures that are fundamentally different than what we’d find in the United States, where we reside. Thus, the solution for us was to use as much conditional and universal language as possible, describing concepts that are closer to the abstract and allowing the user to interpret them based upon the lens of their own experience.
You’re running a stack focused on urging you to increase your wealth, enhance your resilience and dominance and improve your seduction skills. From my perspective, it shouldn’t be a shock that you are attempting to improve your fashion, be around women and thinking about how you can better seduce women.
What I find interesting is how you’re externalizing this battle between “I want to stay the same, I don’t want to have to do these things to get women” and “I want women and status, but I know I have to perform a certain way” onto the titles, questioning our integrity over your personal internal conflict of change vs. stagnation.
The titles simply contain a message, delivered in universal language: “Go become legendary.” Your response is your response. Don’t put that on us.
Over the years I’ve noticed people from Russia, Arabic countries, Asia, Europe, North America, South America . . . I don’t know if I’ve seen any posts from people who live in Africa.
There is a lot of diversity here. Wanting personal growth isn’t limited to a certain section of humanity, so the scripts have to be designed with those different areas of the globe in mind.
I don’t think the subconscious always knows what’s best for ourselves.
When a person on the street insults me, the wish of my subconscious is to punch that person. Do I do it?
No, because I would be falling into negativity.
If the other person is making me feel bad, I can just show my discontentment in a calm and controlled way.
Even if the person decides to invade my personal space and come at me, I just stop the blow to defend myself.
Imagine someone who drives a new sports car and starts to speed up. That person knows that he is already a lot above the speed limit, but it would feel so good and empowering to speed up, that the urge is irresistible. The person speeds up more and more, crashes and dies.
Many of us (including me) have destructive programs into their minds that sabotage their own progress. Some of them feel empowering, some of them don’t.
I had to start knowing myself better to start analyzing which programs are these and dismiss or override them consciously.
So for me the conscious self is the manager of the subconscious. Actually I think that’s why in the iceberg diagram, the conscious is on top of the subconscious.
Now lets think about the “improvement of fashion sense in the manner that fits my personal style” suggested by the script.
In the product description one of the objectives is “Improve your wardrobe, body language, speech patterns, etc. to maximize your sexual appeal to others.”
My subconscious heard that suggestion, I had a thought about buying classy clothes (this thought is already a concrete course of action conceived by my subconscious), but then I thought:
"I have other priorities like organizing my personal life in an enough stable way, so that I can send CV’s to another country and move there.
My fashion sense and my wardrobe can be improved, but they are already good enough for me to show a good image to other people (and mainly to myself).
So when I start working and get settled, I can then take care of this task."
This was the conversation in my head and the thought about buying clothes disappeared.
Some days later (after some more loop listenings), when I was in a shopping mall, that’s when the urge happened that was irresistible, even after the dialog some days ago.
Do I want improve my fashion sense? Absolutely. Do I want to do it now? No.
I think it should be possible to ignore the parts of the script that we are not interested about, or that are not a priority like in this particular example.
Later on, when the time is right, we can take action towards those goals, and by keep listening to loops we keep being reminded to take those actions.
According to my definition of free will, I should be able to do what I want, when I want to, and if there is a conflict between the conscious and the subconscious, the conscious should be the one deciding.
About the introspection urges. Lets talk about taking action concerning approaching women.
I think it’s wise to spend 2 hours introspecting on a Sunday, if on a Saturday night I took action.
What doesn’t make sense is to spend a whole week, consciously introspecting about interactions with a particular woman, without leaving any of my processing power to focus on the tasks that will bring food into my table.
Again the manager (conscious self) was not in charge.
When you (@SaintSovereign) tell me that the eureka moments occur on the fly, it looks to me that you’re telling me the introspections are done in the background without consuming too much brain processing power, but I’m not sure if I understood it right.
Either way, these introspection urges became worse with the introduction of PS, and even worse by adding HS.
Were the excessive introspection urges due to overexposure? With 2 second loops of HS + PS (in my latest stack I already had removed Asc)?
Even if that’s the case, I think it should be possible to clear the queue in case of overexposure and start exposing again with a clean queue, but I have little understanding about subliminals and about how the mind works, so I don’t know if that can be done with the current level of technology.
Since I have been listening only to HS + PS which are romance titles, and there is no wealth title on my stack, this might also have caused the imbalance.
But again, my priority is to focus on work (wealth) related tasks and have the romance tasks as a sidekick.
So if my priority is wealth, why am I listening only to romance titles? First because when I was listening to Asc togheter with PS, almost everyone started acting aggressively and negatively towards me and it was unbearable. I also felt lots of negativity inside me (I don’t know why). To add to this, I don’t have good knowledge about romance, and I have lots of trauma related to it, as about work (wealth) I know how to take care of myself.
I think it should be possible for people to get influenced by subliminals to motivate them to take action and to provide them the knowledge on how to improve themselves on those areas (romance and dominance only in this case), and let the conscious mind decide the priorities.
If that is not possible the only solution I see for this is to add another wealth title to my stack and hope people don’t start trying to bring me down.
There is scripting in Asc suggesting to “Develop and Embrace a physically and emotionally healthy lifestyle.”
I interpreted having a good diet as part of this. I am not happy with the food in the places I use to go when I eat outside.
I’ll give you this one. Probably I went to test my new seductive me against that environment because that advice is in the product description.
Strategic Social Engagement: To maximize the potential of Primal Seduction, frequent environments conducive to developing and practicing your seduction skills, such as bars, clubs, or concerts. The more sexually charged the atmosphere, the more potent the effect.
Anyway, I already approach women 3x per week at the gym, about 4x per week at food takeways or restaurants, and I’m currently on a seductive pursuit, so I think you got the wrong idea when you said that “I want to get women, but I don’t want to have to approach women”.
With healthy discussions we all learn and grow. I can see now how generic are the affirmations in the scripts and that you try to build scripts in a way that respects the users free will, and I hope that with the extra information on this post you can now understand why I feel my free will (according to my definition of free will) is not being respected.
My goal is to stop with the disruptions on my wealth, fitness and diet activities, and dedicate a specific percentage of my time to each area (including the ones to improve through the scripts) according to my priorities, being that in case of conflict it should be the conscious layer to make the decisions.
I’m sure you’ve experienced many urges throughout your entire life. And you’re going to keep on experiencing them as long as you’re fortunate enough to be alive as a human being.
Free will is not the absence of urges; it’s your relationship to them.
Very true! I was only thinking in the context of reaching growth/positive goals, but yes considering all impulsive actions, you’re right, it doesn’t always know what’s objectively best.
I understand that completely. My thing is perceived threats to my family (ie uhh… that glassy-eyed junkie is staggering a bit too close to my daughter… F downtown…) rather than someone insulting me, but yep. 100%.
I guess I’d reposition what I said as… In my experience, subliminals won’t make you do something you truly don’t want to do, they just nudge you toward what you already want. Assuming that’s a positive goal, you’re all set. Overriding unwanted goals (pursuing romance and associated stuff if your goal is wealth, for example) is still up to your conscious mind.
When I was doing EF, and I got down to 170lbs, the subs helped me avoid unhealthy foods and maintain my 18/6 (and later OMAD) intermittent fasting. If I truly wanted to eat junk food though, I don’t think a subliminal, any subliminal, would absolutely stop me from doing so.
Lately I’ve been back on Emperor, and I’ve made considerable progress toward a new venture… Stacking Emperor with Executive might not exactly be Emperor Black, but it’s what I’ve got… I definitely enjoy procrastinating; watching something fun on YT is always fun… but I really want this new venture to succeed, and that outweighs anything else that might distract me.
I see you’ve put a lot of thought into understanding this, and that’s awesome. I hope you figure out how to achieve your aims.
A nice introspective post. But then again the subs are guides, even in your first post, the subs did not force you to buy the clothes, it only made you aware of them.
And on PS, you just felt the urge, i assume you did not actually go there. So you were in conscious control the whole time.
And you can also consciously control the script. i usually talk to the sub like a person in my head. for example, i say what i want and don’t want to focus on, if i find any part of the script not to my liking. It seems to work in my case.
if you want wealth then simply listen to any wealth title like True sell, EOG, rich, STark, Stark black, HOM,etc and maybe drop the others.
Also do check out the free Art of HAppiness and joy title. And keep it at 2 subs so one wealth focused title and the other is whatever support title you want. It easier to process it this way.
This was recon, which we’ve stated multiple times as the discrepancy between inner expectation and outer circumstance. This discrepancy, as you described it is: “If I want women, I may need to improve my wardrobe, but that shit’s expensive and I need to spend my money on more important things.”
Which you, by your own admission, resolved it by simply saying:
Point your attention to:
In other words, you did just that. You consciously ignored the scripting for improving your wardrobe and worked with the scripting to first build a solid foundation. What you seem to be missing is the fact that for your mindset to proceed, the issue involving material appearance vs. financial stability needed to be brought to the surface for conscious resolution. And if we’re thinking logically, this would indicate that you were dealing with this issue even before you ran the title and may not have been very aware of it as a blocker.
In other words, the title did exactly what it is supposed to do – help you ascend by bringing out the conflicts hidden within the self for conscious resolution. And if you’re a deeply contemplative person – like myself – pumping your mind with a script filled with various concepts will, by the nature of your own mind, result in deep contemplation as the main method of inner resolution.
This cannot be done in a major title. They have to be written broadly, in a manner that appeals to many ages, races, nationalities, walks of like, etc. Only with a custom can this be done.
Well yes, that’s what it’s supposed to do. But again, everyone is different, and again – if you are a deeply contemplative person (by nature), you are going to contemplate the issues brought up by the script. It is inevitable. We cannot change the nature of your mind with subliminal audio – or at least with Zero Point. It’s best to think of Zero Point as an advisor positively recommending outcomes that you may not have been able to see before. And that is not an analogy. That is essentially what it is, as we’ve said.
It’s up to the user to then consciously decide whether to accept the advice, or not and then deeply understand why they made that decision. In your case, it was succinctly dealt with, as your response was simply: “Nah. Money first, ladies later.”
I would recommend dropping Ascension and trying the wealth title with the least amount of romance. And off the top of my head, I think that’s Nouveau R.I.C.H. But be forewarned, since Nouveau R.I.C.H. deals strictly with disruptive innovation, you may find yourself contemplating on taking big action (business or career-wise) that could be risky, as that’s the inherent nature of disruption (using the business definition).
If people are trying to bring you down on a status stack, we’ve noticed that it’s usually that your outer expression and inner frame are not in alignment, and through the intuitive microexpressions of your face, body, tonality, etc. they can tell that you are “faking it.”
It is the same phenomenon that occurs in the pheromone world, when you douse yourself with an alpha phero but can’t act the part and people start acting aggressive toward you. It is not the title. It is human nature.
In my own case, if I give off such a resilient, dominant aura that I simply cannot run alpha titles for too long. I actually get the best results with something that cools my natural signature down a bit, like Love Bomb. Apparently, then I give off a “detached and resilient but compassionate” vibe.
My mistake for assuming. My apologies.
But this further alludes to my point. You may already be giving off a naturally dominant vibe (and those of us who do have one are often unaware of it) and that’s why you’re getting status checked (as they were called in the PUA community once upon a time) because the additional status scripting is sending your vibe waaaaaaay out of this world.
I remember one time, I made the mistake of wearing Dominant Ascend and ran Godlike Masculinity. While I was getting tons of attention, the glares from the men were absurd. When I tried that same pheromone with Love Bomb for Humanity, suddenly I was still getting romantic attention from women, but the men wanted to be buddies.
So to summarize, you’re experiencing the response to the script and not the script itself. The script simply says to develop a fashion style that’s very unique to you, allows you to express yourself visually authentically. It gives no recommendations as to achieve that, only to consider it. Same thing with every point on that list.
Could you say more about this? How that can be done in a custom. Humor my stupidity, I’m still legit trying to understand how to use customs. Lol I’ve botched all but 1 custom, so some clarity might help me.
Honest question here, generally speaking… not to any specific comment… I’m not in the habit of being a troll.
I’ve never understood fashion, at all. My wife says I dress like it’s perpetually 2003… and I’m like “…so?” My ONE concession to fashion is my Armani leather jacket… but to be honest I’d love that jacket regardless of the brand… and I sure wouldn’t have paid what google says it was actually worth when new… haha.
But back to my question… if someone’s sense of self/identity can be changed by changing their clothes, then doesn’t that suggest there wasn’t much of an identity there to begin with? I can see feeling somewhat different with new clothes, a new haircut, etc… but it’d be fleeting and superficial. If my whole identity changed because of that, then… what was I before, a walking display rack for jeans and a hoodie? I could choose to act differently at the same time, but I could also do that without changing my style.
Or was the point that the desire for new clothing is an attempt at a new identity, and not an implication that it would actually produce one? Is it more of a psychological self-cue? Change the exterior to make it easier to change the interior? That makes sense to me… like a mini “fresh start”.
I don’t mean to drag this into a new topic of course, I’m just legitimately confused by this notion.
Edit: re-reading this, I see it may not be conveying what I’m intending. I’m thinking through this in terms of myself, in the sense that if my personality changed simply because my clothing appearance did, then I would question what actually constituted my identity before. That’s not a reflection on anyone else, I’m well aware I’m the outlier here.
It’s not that your whole identity changes but the things you wear directly influence how you feel. And if you change your clothing style a lot out of nowhere, in a long run you will feel different and also act different. Your posture, your way of sitting, walking, speaking, attitude. It all can change by just the outfit. Take for example a formal suit, some old farmers clothes, loose shirt with home pants, winter outside clothes, black leather jacket, rainbow / pink outfit. It not only changes how you feel in it but also how others see and treat you. Tons of stuff is influenced by this heavily.
Actually when I read it, I understood it the other way around!
Why?
Because that’s what happened with me. I listened to Sub Clubs subs, so I started feeling that I’m a high status Men and that I’m Rich! And so I’m starting to feel that I should buy and wear those clothes.
Today I went to the same shop again, but this time it wasn’t forced (no conflict between the subconscious and the conscious layers) because my identity changed. I just didn’t buy anything this time, because the clothes there have bad quality, even though they are expensive (so it’s basically a brand ripoff!).
So maybe I just needed deeper identity changes to be made (or some healing to be done), so that the suggestions to improve the fashion sense wouldn’t feel forced (or conflict with my identity). These changes took months to appear (or to come to the surface). Besides that today I’m on a washout and it’s Sunday (a resting day) so I wasn’t “so busy” that I couldn’t go to some shops to see if I find there some nice clothes.
I also have the feeling that opening this thread, listening to the explanations and debating them, helped solving that conflict at an inner level, but on the background, because during the last days I never though again about the wardrobe subject in a conscious way. But for sure I consciously though a lot about what I wrote concerning the conscious layer being the manager and the one that should be in control, and I think that it also helped me to discard some urges, to put my old stack on hold, and to rebuild a new stack from the scratch that better serves my priorities.
I’ve never had a drastic change in my style really, it’s always been pretty gradual. I’d definitely have different posture in a formal suit than jeans and a hoodie, the suit isn’t nearly as comfortable. haha.
I can see, for sure, how others would treat me differently… especially if one day I showed up in farmer clothes and leather jacket and the next day rainbow and pink, lol.
Farmer clothes, I could pull off. I wear a leather jacket already… but the last bit?? It would definitely affect my personality, negatively so, as it would be uncomfortably out of character, haha.
I guess it depends entirely on goals; I’ve been married for years now so “looking good to attract girls” has long since been off my radar. And when I listen to Emperor (I first bought… V2? it’s been a while) I wanted to build a solopreneur empire more so than go out and network.
That’s how I see most popular brands, haha. Some of them, I don’t see any reason they’re so expensive… My wife’s Blundstone boots? Exceptional quality, I can see why those cost more than say… boots from Walmart. But some of the “luxury brands”… they’re not objectively better quality than something far cheaper, they’re just more expensive… so I don’t get the point. Expensive but bad quality? Good call on not buying those.
But who am I to judge anything about fashion, just about everything I wear is from Old Navy or Cabelas, plus that one sweater I’ve got from LL Bean. haha.
I get the “I look like a million bucks so I feel like a million bucks” thing, and the correlated “I look like a$$ so I feel like a$$…” but I don’t see, for me at least, that wearing drastically different (aka nicer) clothing would make me feel substantially different… definitely not to the extent that I’d feel like I had a new identity.
But, like I said, I recognize that I’m the outlier here.
No, you are not the outlier. If my identity doesn’t change deeply from inside I also don’t think that just by improving the wardrobe I would feel any different. Actually I would feel like somebody else, instead of being myself.
As your identity changes and you get the nudges to buy new clothes, you may begin to realise that you can take it in small steps - First some shoes or even new socks depending on your budget perhaps. And then the shift will feel more naturally smoother towards your upgraded identity.
Besides that today I’m on a washout and it’s Sunday (a resting day) so I wasn’t “so busy” that I couldn’t go to some shops to see if I find there some nice clothes.