Is 2x15 mn Khan St1 madness?

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#1

Yo !

As I wrote in my introduction I’ll be running Khan solo. Started yesterday and today was my rest day. I’ll follow the recommended listening schedule.

My question is on duration. It is said 2x loop max per day on listening days.

I’ve done 2x 15 minutes which are full loops , but I’ve seen a lot on the forum doing 3-5-7 minutes loops per listening day.

Am I going to go nuts ? :upside_down_face:

Nothing in particular in terms of recon to note today. I guess since I’ll just be running Khan I can go on full loops , or is there a point of diminishing returns passed a certain exposure time ?

What’s your thoughts ?

#2

If it gets to be too much, like if it sneaks up on you, just drop down to one loop.

As of late I myself don’t see a real benefit of 2x of the same title anyway. The SubC gets all it needs in the first one to get to work processing it.

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#3

Thank you for your answer.

Makes sense that the first one could do the job actually. I thought I would use the 2 loops to place them strategically upon awakening and just before sleep.

Now , do you think it would be more efficient to use another one in combination ? I don’t want to dilute Khan as from what I’ve read it covers already a wide range of topics

#4

If I was running only one sub I would run one loop morning and one loop late afternoon, and when/if I start to feel overexposed I would just drop the evening loop for the day and adjust accordingly for the next listening day.

As Palpatine said, you can try 2 loops a day and simply adjust to less listening time if/when you start to feel the overwhelm of overexposure.

With these subs a full 15min really is a powerful kick and only one loop a day can likely give a smoother experience overall.

This is where you only can tell what is best for you through your own experience.

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#5

That’s helpful !

You’re right , I’ll just continue with both loops and iterate based on the feedback I get as I’m getting more exposed to it.

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#6

Depends on person. It’s a completely valid way to listen. I don’t use micro loops myself (for better or worse), I dial back with extra rest days typically. If you can handle it without major recon, then you’re fine. No biggie.

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#7

Yeah personally I think 2x loops of khan is absolutely insane. Especially as a beginner. You have no idea if a “smooth experience” is actually a good thing or if you’re just stonewalling.

It’s one of the most difficult challenging subs in the store,

And yes I’d say if you’re talking about diminishing returns In the classic economic sense of the term, 2 full loops will absolutely have diminishing returns. Higher costs (more recon) and either neutral, less, or just marginally better results.

Do as you wish but I think all you need to do is start with 7 minutes once a listening day, give it a bit to see how you respond, and then go up or down from there

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#8

This is interesting to see the different opinions on the forum :slight_smile:

Have the creators ever took position on this ? I don’t see duration mentioned on the manual that you can download with your purchase.

After reading many views on this topic , I decided to listen 1x to a 7mn loop on the morning and see how it goes.

I’m after results. I need to let go of the idea that more = better. That’s what I was habituated to believe by other vendors.

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#9

They prefer the term “producers” over “creators”.

As for your question: 30s Microloop Discussion Thread

EDIT: I meant 30s Microloop Discussion Thread

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#10

They’re also very transparent about the fact that the instruction manual is needs to be updated but that it’s not the highest priority compared to the current mass upgrading spree that’s happening.

What exactly those “official” instructions will be at the end of the day guaranteed, but what SaintSovereign and Fire have been advising people, especially with newer and difficult titles (like khan) is to start with microloops at around 30s, and then increase by 30s each listening day until you find your “sweet spot”

I prefer starting at 3 minutes on my first day, and if I get recon, dropping down to 30s and doing the incremental increase method - if I don’t get recon, I either stay at 3 mins because I’m getting results there, or I try a 7 min loop.

It’s also been confirmed that ZP titles are like mini four stagers. Even in Khan ST1, khan ST1 is built like a four stager. You get all 4 stages in the first 7ish minutes which is why I’ve been using it.

Listening to a 30-60s loop is similar to listening to ST1 of a title - even a single-stage title like Stark Black,

I hope that’s all making sense it’s a little much to explain to someone just diving into this for the first time.

The most important thing to know is less is more, and while a lot of people here do follow the 15 minute every other day schedule, because it works for them, there’s also a huge amount of people who listen to smaller loops of 3-10 mins, or, microloops of 30-60s

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#11

Thank you for the ressources.

@Jouissance This makes sense , I’ve done a 7m loop this morning , I will see how my subconscious mind takes it and use the incremental method. Staying here if it’s fine , or dialing down if it’s overwhelming.

It clarified a lot , and I will be reading the micro loop thread.

An interesting quote that I’ve read on the topic :

I think where microloops will be most effective is when someone already has substantial results with a program and wants to rapidly integrate those results into his being, so that they naturalize as quickly as possible, by aligning the subconscious and the conscious, showing the person that not only can they do this here and there, but they’re the type of person that can be (productive, confident, dominant, happy, etc.) for weeks at a time without variation or fluctuation. Once that’s accomplished, it’ll become an internal identity that you won’t even need subliminals to maintain, it’ll just be who you are, and you’ll have conscious habits to make sure you always stay that way

It is absolutely my mindset going into this. The identity work weaving into subliminal I think is beautiful as it helps cement results long term into your concept of self.