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[Sub.Zero]

@SoulFire

As I read this I saw it as the mind basically disappearing behind the subliminal scripting for a little while until the scripting loses strength through time and the usual mind reemerges from the scripting resettling itself with a changed foundation based on the impact of the specific scripting.

Like drown the erroneous subconscious noise with the positively charged script noise so fully that whatever is not really you drowns and is completely transmuted and rediscovered when emerging back from the scripting saturation.

This is put in highly “alchemical” terms indeed. But yes, it’s mainly about employing the scripting to have your mind hyper-focused on certain characteristics and natural abilities of yours, which are targeted by the scripting, and reducing “all the irrelevant noise” as much as possible for the “saturation period” (when the mind gets saturated with the scripting via its exposure to it).

When that period ends, the mind gets more “freedom” to operate on its own, processing the scripting and reconciling those elements it’s ready to integrate, following the “focus trajectory” set up during the saturation period.

I assume that an optimal approach would be getting the mind saturated only when it’s started losing that focus trajectory and that focus trajectory needs to get reinforced.

@SoulFire

Fascinating approach and intense and with conscious guidance or specifically targeted intention it’s a banger no brainer become your own trainer, rewrite your history as you said, amazing!

There’s lots of self-introspection and retrospection involved that is the basis of Self-Identification. It’s an ongoing process. That Self-Identification is not only about identifying your real characteristics and natural abilities but getting closer to your “Real Essence” both cognitively, by expanding your self-awareness/the awareness of your Real Essence, and psychologically, by acknowledging, accepting and embracing your Real Essence on the deeper levels.

Self-Expression is based on Self-Identification but requires removing certain internal blockages that hinder its “flow”. Blockages that suppress expressing your Real Essence, that suppress the display of your real characteristics and the employment of your natural abilities.

All of that (Self-Identification and Self-Expression) is the reason I will never agree to the statement that subs try to mold you or promote your growth in accordance with archetypes. If it’s the case, however, it doesn’t work for me as I clearly see that my Self-Identification and Self-Expression, and therefore, Self-Alignment, are different from what other people report on Emperor and WB. The reason is I’m unique, like all of us are.

[Sub.Zero]

@Sub.Zero

I assume that an optimal approach would be getting the mind saturated only when it’s started losing that focus trajectory and that focus trajectory needs to get reinforced.

I can clearly see how that subliminal focus trajectory gets a boost on the listening day and peaks on the next day to start losing its intensity on the third day. I’ve noticed that even though I run more loops than recommended.

Now, it doesn’t necessarily mean that it would be optimal to run my subs every other day, yet that aligns with the recommended pattern that says to listen to your subs every other day.

Apart from what I mentioned above, I feel an unusual lightness in my head and I’m starting to crave for the subliminal input. I haven’t run my stack for three nights already. I think it’s time to run my stack tonight.

[TheGreenMan]

I think the subconscious has a baseline (rooted in the survival instinct): Aspects learned over the life so far, what this world is, who we are and how these two relate to each other (and always looking for confirmation for what it already assumes). The first impressions we got in many ways defining how to view everything that comes later.

There are IMO two ways to change the worldview of the subconscious (and with this ourselves): Either a strong emotional impression (like trauma) to trigger survival instinct and change directly or changing one aspect tangibly, permanently (e. g. listening to subs).

When the subconscious is confronted with a recurring aspect that contradicts its worldview (subs) it will every time it’s exposed reevaluate, checking for other confirming aspects (action taken) and reverting back to “normal” when the new input after the reevaluation isn’t present anymore. (either through subs or action).

I am still quite unsure how more input at one moment changes this equation. (I am genuinely interested.) The subconscious will reevaluate (that’s the trigger one wants) but the subliminal statements triggering can’t be “stronger”, as they are still the same statements, so the same points to evaluate. (And as I understand it, there is like a natural phase of evaluation, taking a certain amount of time.)

There probably will be a learning effect: The more often the subconscious reevaluates, the shorter the reevaluation gets, the more willing it will be to accept the new input. I suspect after a long period of time (a year?) listening to the same sub it could make sense to drop rest days or shorten the washout a little. Or maybe halfing rest days for a start. (Disclaimer: This is not recommend!)

(Didn’t mean to intrude. Your last post was just a really nice hook to sort my own thoughts.)

[Sub.Zero]

I swapped Emperor for Emperor: Daddy. So I’m running it along with WB. It’s quite energetically demanding and I can tell that my auras and the physical shifting got boosted.

I dreamed about meeting an attractive, young single mother with her baby in a pram. The whole convo was interesting, her being really open and responsive to me and the kid being a part of the whole interaction. Is it relevant to EmpD’s scripting? I wonder.

It’s early in the morning. Let’s see how it unfolds.

[Sub.Zero]

EmpD has definitely caused energetic and physical shifts in my body.

My metabolism has sped up as I’ve taken a poo twice today. It never happens to me, and, especially in the morning, unless I’ve eaten a lot which I didn’t.

When running I could endure longer sprints. I pushed my body to new heights when running.

When I looked into the mirror I saw all the signs of my aging and I got sad, and, especially, when looking at my hair and thinking how I had been trying to regrow it for the past three years yet the results have been meager. The wrinkles, the gaze which is not so “young” anymore… then I told my self; “hey, you’re still a strong and capable man, many would envy you your strong spirit and wisdom. You’re definitely much more than meets the eye. There’s still plenty of young people who are eager to be in your company and listen to you”.

I was really playful at work, yet at the same time, there was a tinge of wisdom in my joking around. Subtle hints enveloped in good humor.

I spoke about sexual matters in a humorous way, teasing my interlocutors (a gay and a young woman) sexually a bit. They like my openness and “wisdom”. During the convo, I got invited to a birthday party so I may enter a new social circle which can give me more opportunities to take action aligned with the scripting of EmpD and WB. Good. Oh, the young woman said she was looking for a lover. She’s “not my type” and not really pretty though.

[Sub.Zero]

Emperor: DADDY makes use of all the countless, many experiences an older man has access to – even if one might think that their experiences don’t amount to much – to generate a vast amount of material for the subconscious mind to dig through and mine, creating a near endless wellspring of material to use for the sake of crafting the truly unique DADDY characteristics.

EmpD is amplifying in me those characteristics of mine that unearth the “oak” I am.

It makes a very historical being of me and, therefore, insanely congruent in terms of who I have really been since I’ve remembered. Like a powerful oak I’m deeply rooted in my past like it is in the soil, wearing all the scars and toughness the cruel winters (harsh and traumatic experiences) left on me and all the beauty and charm the mild and colorful autumns (positive experiences) bestowed on me.

Getting poetic is the single most pronounced indicator that the sub is deeply affecting me and that my psyche relishes in its powerful ray.

I’m really grounded in the darkness in me and the cold embraces me with love instead of numbing me.

There’s an insane number of internal changes happening in me I cannot fully grasp yet.

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This program should have been called Dark Titan. The power of the cold and darkness is growing in me every minute. I’ve never been so internally congruent and powerful. That calm, strength and clarity with a dark undertone is just amazing.

Yet, at the same time I can be as sweet and charming or even more as I’m used to being in social settings.

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There’s no inner struggle between my “shadow” qualities and “me” and they’re being integrated seamlessly or I would rather say, letting loose, yet under my reign. I think I know exactly how Kasady feels when the symbiote chooses him and they pair up.

Precisely like GPT answers the question:

How does Kasady feel when he pairs up with the symbiote?

When Cletus Kasady pairs up with the symbiote, his feelings are largely characterized by a sense of liberation, joy, and an embrace of chaos. Unlike Eddie Brock, who struggles with the moral implications of bonding with the symbiote, Kasady, a psychopathic serial killer, finds the pairing to be a perfect match for his already twisted nature. The symbiote amplifies his violent tendencies, and rather than resisting or feeling conflicted, Kasady fully welcomes the power it gives him.

Kasady sees the symbiote, known as Carnage, as a natural extension of his own chaotic worldview. He relishes the destruction and havoc they can wreak together, viewing the bond as a way to further express his sadistic desires without limits. For Kasady, the symbiote doesn’t just provide physical power—it also gives him the means to indulge in his darkest fantasies without consequence, making him feel invincible and unstoppable.

Where Eddie Brock might feel the symbiote’s presence as a burden or source of conflict, Kasady feels pure exhilaration. The symbiote’s influence heightens his sense of freedom, feeding his belief that rules, order, and morality are meaningless. This bond deepens his hatred for authority and society, driving him to pursue even greater acts of violence with gleeful enthusiasm. In essence, Kasady doesn’t just bond with Carnage—he revels in the symbiote’s power, seeing it as a way to unleash the ultimate form of chaos.

Naturally, I’m not a Kasady… Not entirely

[Sub.Zero]

I’ve listened to EmpD thrice so far and I can tell that the subliminal process is really fluid and rapid. Self-Recognition->Self-Acknowledgement->Self-Alignment->Emanation->Self-Guidance (Conscious Guidance)->Action->Manifestation.

Basically, identifying my real characteristics and natural abilities within the sub’s focus (Self-Identification=Self-Recognition+Self-Acknowledgement) is something going on pretty much all the time, and on really deep levels, with powerful subconscious aid.

Aligning with those identified characteristics and abilities of mine (Self-Alignment) is just mind-blowing since it’s nothing more but embracing the process with “an open spirit”.

Expressing that high level Self-Alignment [by Emanation+Self-Guidance (Conscious Guidance)+Action+Manifestation] is as natural as breathing as it’s just a “natural/organic” result of it.

I emanate those characteristics and abilities as easily as I breathe yet I choose the way I display and use them [Self-Guidance (Conscious Guidance)], I take action (Action) aligned with them and upon the action taken I “manifest” experiences (Manifestation) that reaffirm the whole transformation.

No other program has ever “helped” my reality align with who I am and what I do as much as EmpD has, and it’s done so within two days only. Absolutely mind-blowing.

[Sub.Zero]

Yet again, introspection paired up with retrospection have helped my go through trauma-response recon which was mild yet I really don’t like it. However, every time I deal with this recon I get a powerful “invincibility boost”.

Apart from introspecting and retrospecting I do a kind of shadow work by taking a look at certain “dark” characteristics of mine that are deeply repressed and eliciting them to the surface.

There’s a certain undertow of dark and cold rage in that work. A bundle of the darkest impulses “pleading” for letting them loose. I rechannel that plea into that “invincibility boos” I mentioned.

The whole process seems to be more swift on EmpD. Moreover, this time I was able to identify a deeper potential in that rage when doing the shadow work.

[Jouissance]

@Sub.Zero

I dreamed about meeting an attractive, young single mother with her baby in a pram. The whole convo was interesting, her being really open and responsive to me and the kid being a part of the whole interaction. Is it relevant to EmpD’s scripting? I wonder.

Emperer: Step Daddy

[Sub.Zero]

One day off the subs was enough to neutralize that trauma-response reconciliation I mentioned and today’s results are as great as they were after listening to my stack for the first time, upon the release of EmpD.

I can see an obvious pattern in here that points to the recommendation concerning listening to your stack every other day. On the first day the results were the most mind-blowing, the next day they seemed to be decreasing and that trauma-response reconciliation kicked in and was steadily getting more intense (although it was mild all the way). On the third and fourth listening day that tendency got only more intense, meaning, the results were even less pronounced and that reconciliation was a bit more persistent. Moreover, reconciliation fog (it was harder to tell what results and to what extent I was getting) kicked in as well.

Today I feel like:

Dark, cold, solid and beautiful.

Women are more responsive as well, although I noticed some getting a bit shy upon seeing me. And I’m talking about real hotties. That’s really unusual.

Apart from that, my introspecting skills have got improved, I can see my inner motions, thoughts and ideas clearer. It’s also easier to reign my inner world, and particularly my “underworld” - that is my dark side.

It’s easier to plan and make decisions since I’m being way less affected by my inner motions, and I see important decisions and planning coming, so that’s going to come in really handy.

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I’ll be stacking EmpD with PR from now on and following the recommended pattern: listening to my stack every other day. Yet, I’m going to stick to my sweet spot. Let’s see how it works for me.

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Fuck that, I love WB too much. I’ll be running the three subs: WB+EmpD+PR.

[Sub.Zero]

PR is doing for me a very similar job EmpD does when it comes to retrospecting and introspecting. Like EmpD helps me discover and redefine my “historical” identity (my identity as a man with a difficult past), PR does the same to my “romantic/romance” identity. Both subs help me spot the gaps in those identities and fill them in, smoothing out the transformation, as both programs “target” those gaps. Those gaps seems to be causing reconciliation.

In case of PR, the main gap in my “romantic/romance identity” that is being filled right now is that most vulnerable side of me that got disappointed and hurt lots of times when I fell hopelessly in love with the “wrong” girls. Another one is my ideal woman → a holy woman that I’ve always wanted so that she can heal my wounds (traumas), and touch and lift up my heart.

I also went through those patterns that would lead me to getting heartbroken. Initially, I though they were reemerging as a part of the reconciliation and I was close to giving up on the sub since I don’t like those very old patterns that would make me helpless and miserable in the “clutches of love”. However, they seem to have got reconciled and I feel “romantically” (but also emotionally) stronger than ever before.

[Sub.Zero]

There’s something to this title that makes it a “spiritual” title in the way it makes WB “spiritual”. However, it the case of WB it’s about embracing your flaws and striving for excellence that makes you authentic and really appealing to women. There’s nothing more seductive than a man embracing his darkness yet striving for reaching the stars (his ideals).

In the case of PR it’s about embracing and nurturing what’s broken in you romantically/emotionally and letting what’s beautiful in you romantically/emotionally shine all the more.

There’s nothing more endearing than beautiful things that are broken (yet not beyond repair!) and make us think that fixing them will help them restore their COMPLETE BEAUTY. Like a beautiful bird with its wing broken that we take care of, helping it recover so that it can show its complete beauty in its first flight after the recovery.

This is how PR is working on me right now, communicating it to the world.

The process happening in me is nicely reflected by this song:

- YouTube

[Azriel]

What is your take on the ‘sexuality’ of PR?
You have the self-awareness to discern between all the different subs you are running.
Does its closeness or romantic element in any way seem to deter a more sexual, primal, or status-based spark or attraction?

Also I have been feeling almost young again lately, with a resurgence in my life that last year or so. WB when I’ve run it made me feel more like a teenager- not in an immature way-but in a ’ I’m on top and have my whole life ahead of me with the world as my oyster."

Back on my more wealth focused stack I do feel a bit caught,a transition not an issue. Missing the train of an entire life of possibilities ahead but not fully established either.

Is Emperor Daddy similar in its youthful re-invigoration or more claiming of the end of that time of life in a strong and mature way? Or love to hear your take on your sense of yourself in time and life on Emperor Daddy

[Sub.Zero]

@Azriel

What is your take on the ‘sexuality’ of PR?

It’s only day 2 on PR so these are only my very first impressions, observations and experiences. However, I can tell that PR intensifies how I experience my sexual desires (aka getting horny) and my sexual sensations when fulfilling them. No other sub has done that for me, I’m sure it’s that part of scripting including Diamond, SM and PN that elicits that.

@Azriel

Does its closeness or romantic element in any way seem to deter a more sexual, primal, or status-based spark or attraction?

I see the beauty in women but I still want to bed them without romancing them, and those “romantic” inclinations of mine that PR elicits serve to “embellish”/romanticize my seduction blueprint not to override it. However, I can tell that WB plays a role in that. I would say PR smooths out the edge WB elicits, by enveloping it with a dreamlike/romantic aura. I’m sure it would be different if I wasn’t running WB.

PR gives you a very similar vibe LB does yet it’s aimed at potential romantic partners, however. On the other hand, it also attracts people, in general, so that they can connect with you emotionally, and not necessary romantically. I doesn’t attract people sexually as far as I can see, and so far. It’s just day 2, like I said.

@Azriel

Is Emperor Daddy similar in its youthful re-invigoration or more claiming of the end of that time of life in a strong and mature way?

The kind of energy it helps you generate is both; reinvigorating and calming. I know it may sound counterintuitive but, in its essence, it’s about generating higher levels of energy, and harnessing and channeling them. I’m more energized physically and mentally. My physical and mental endurance has improved noticeably.

[Sebastian_Po]

@Sub.Zero

those “romantic” inclinations of mine that PR elicits serve to “embellish”/romanticize my seduction blueprint not to override it.

it is comforting to know that….I was worried about it before………having the romance side as the icing on the cake is what I want….I assume…The vibe that you emitting now is more approachable and relatable ？a lot of time，I find that those pure “primal” sexual vibe might scare certain girls away….you are stacking PR with WB and EmpD right ？how these three synergise ？how the the aura of these three mixed feels like ？

[Sub.Zero]

@Sebastian_Po

you are stacking PR with WB and EmpD right ？

Yes.

@Sebastian_Po

The vibe that you emitting now is more approachable and relatable ？

Yes, it is, indeed. People feel even more at ease when approaching me and connecting with me psychologically.

@Sebastian_Po

how these three synergise

Yes, they do synergize really well, indeed. I suppose mainly because they’re all aimed at attracting women. However, it’s also about how they address three essential yet very different aspects of my psyche. EmpD addresses my historical identity (who I’ve been and I am as a mature man), WB my seduction blueprint (how I naturally attract women for sex), and PR addresses my romantic/romance identity (who I am as “a man with a heart”).

This combo elicits in me those natural characteristics of mine that make me a endearing and seductive man with a really strong core and a slight dark edge which doesn’t come a surprise at all.

@Sebastian_Po

how the the aura of these three mixed feels like ？

That aura would be perfect for Chosen, I can imagine, although I’ve never run that sub. It’s social, emotional and sexual magnetism, and authority mixed in a really nice proportion.

[SaintSovereign]

@Azriel

What is your take on the ‘sexuality’ of PR?
You have the self-awareness to discern between all the different subs you are running.
Does its closeness or romantic element in any way seem to deter a more sexual, primal, or status-based spark or attraction?

This is Primal Romance. Don’t forget the “primal” part. And this notion that romance takes away from a primal sexuality came from the red pill.

[Azriel]

Thanks for clarifying I couldn’t imagine you would leave out the sexual, admiration, status, elements of romance in a sub like this.

I don’t follow red pill ideology at all; this comment came from reading some of the threads on primal romance and some feedback on it that it seemed to lower sexual attraction but increase closeness. I find @Sub.Zero quite very intelligent and adept at discerning his internal experience and the impact of subs, so I wanted his take on it. I believe polarity, status, admiration, and distinct separation are an important part of the attraction and deeper romance, and I was curious to what degree this was balanced in this program.

[Sub.Zero]

@SaintSovereign

@Azriel

What is your take on the ‘sexuality’ of PR?
You have the self-awareness to discern between all the different subs you are running.
Does its closeness or romantic element in any way seem to deter a more sexual, primal, or status-based spark or attraction?

This is Primal Romance. Don’t forget the “primal” part. And this notion that romance takes away from a primal sexuality came from the red pill.

@Azriel

Thanks for clarifying I couldn’t imagine you would leave out the sexual, admiration, status, elements of romance in a sub like this.

Only last night, when my lover came over I experienced something relevant to the sexual aspect of PR. She had said before that she was in love with me but last night she said I was her real love and the love of her life.

Later on, she had the best sex of her life, cumming more times than ever before and even though she got really tired and sweaty when riding me during the “last session”, she didn’t have enough and she kept going craving for even more. So she got it.

When it comes to attracting women sexually, I need more exposure to females to know the exact mechanics of attracting them. For now, it looks like they’re more responsive to me “aesthetically” than sexually. It means that I seem to be a prince from their dream more than someone they would fuck right off the bat. If it makes sense to you, guys.

[Sub.Zero]

I’ve seen more attraction from women today. Even from a woman at my workplace who had never showed me her interest before. She would just try to keep it cool even though I could tell she was slightly attracted. Today she did that directly by offering me some food at the canteen and trying to strike up a convo. However, this kind of attraction was a bit different than typically. I got it from some other female coworkers, too. It was as if they had been more interested in me as a person and not as an “object of sexual desires”. I still need more time to fathom the exact “mechanics” of it.

I see some internal changes as well. That’s obvious and expected. In short, EmpD makes me rock solid and dark, WB cold and dark even more so whilst PR smooths out my intensity and makes me approachable, especially for women.

I see and I’ve started experiencing an insane romantic/seductive potential in this combo in the times where romance is so rare, so exotic to women and, therefore, all the more enthralling. It’s too early to say, yet upon the reactions and responses I’ve got from women since I started the stack I got an impression that they see me in the way that is presented in the picture below:

The power of mystery, romance and authenticity.