THEORY: Momentum

[Malkuth]

Proposition:

The lighter the subliminals that you run, the more the subliminals will contribute momentum to your change process. (In the same sense that hearing a simple catchy tune may contribute energy to you and you may find yourself humming and dancing along to it).

Similarly, the denser the subliminals that you run, the more that you will have to compensate for that density with your own (fluctuating) willpower and intention to grow and change. (This is like listening to a challenging piece of modernist classical music that will require your effort to even listen to the whole thing, let alone mastering it and being able to sing along with it.)

A light subliminal can easily find ‘the food’ that it needs from the normal energy and impulses of the mental and emotional environment. But a very dense subliminal may need more fuel to be able to unfold and progress. Thus, the listener may need to be more focused and intentional about putting the program’s inspirations and ideas into action.

[TheGreenMan]

Have been thinking a lot about this lately. I agree completely, but would view it from a slightly different perspective. The denser a stack the more effort or time it needs to accumulate “points of action”.

Or, put differently:

Just a bit of action, quick results, massive input - you can pick two, but not all three of them.

[Serafim]

RMV ST2 not sure of the density of it but it plays out as very light for me. Action taking is easy, just have to practice singing which for me is simply playing my Jam Songs playlist while driving or cleaning around the house.

DRR was dense in the early goings but finally got to the ‘good stuff in Stage 4. Now I’ve started over with DRG. Sometimes it seems like drudgery in the early stages but look forward to the ‘Good Stuff’ in DRG ST4, which seems like a good title to run ongoing.

[Malkuth]

Dragon Reborn Gold. Yes, indeed. I am looking forward to one day working with that beautiful program. Dragon Reborn original was a pretty amazing time for me. Back in 2021. Lots of manifestations ‘mysteriously popping out of nowhere’.

[Malkuth]

@TheGreenMan

The denser a stack the more effort or time it needs to accumulate “points of action”.

Intriguing, intriguing.

And could you define/elaborate this concept of ‘points of action’?

[TheGreenMan]

Based on these assumptions regarding the subconscious and how it handles new input (like subs) contradicting its understanding of the world so far:

In the Ice I trust

I think the subconscious has a baseline (rooted in the survival instinct): Aspects learned over the life so far, what this world is, who we are and how these two relate to each other (and always looking for confirmation for what it already assumes). The first impressions we got in many ways defining how to view everything that comes later. There are IMO two ways to change the worldview of the subconscious (and with this ourselves): Either a strong emotional impression (like trauma) to trigger s…

Points of action could be described as indices, clues or proof (actions or circumstances) that validate the slight shift of reality and one’s position in it presented (or better implied) by the subs. By continuously being exposed to the subs’ messages and showing the action, the subconscious will eventually readjust its views. (Though I would argue there is still a lingering tendency to move back as soon as the sub input stops. Will probably take a long while til a true new normal is established.)

Thinking about it, you are probably right that in sum of results a narrow focus will bring quickly more than a broad stack. Let’s say you listen to WANTED and your believes have evolved following the sub: You now believe you are a mysterious, hot guy. This itself brings a shift and probably a reevaluation of an awful lot of bordering aspects, a subliminal knock on effect if you will. (I suspect that many “weird”, “completely unrelated” results are knock ons.) If another goal is e. g. a sexy, seductive voice, the new self-image will bring a big push for this result as they go naturally together, while, say, the goals of RICH Crypto won’t be touched or moved in any way by the mysterious hotness.

Sorry, if this reads slightly scrambled.

[Malkuth]

Nice.

Like the first points of ice developing in a fluid below the temperature of freezing. And then around these ‘nodes’ the ice begins to spread throughout the rest of the fluid medium, until, after more time, the entirety has become solid ice.

These ‘points of action’ are the first points of ‘phase change’ to a new configuration of subconscious belief or identification. Around those newly ‘identified’ points, action in the direction of the desired change now becomes possible. And then it gradually extends and generalizes as the new identity takes root and becomes established.

That’s a very rich image. Thank you.

[TheGreenMan]

The ice metaphor makes it infinitely better!

Cheers!

[Fractal_Explorer]

I agree. However one thing I have noticed is gauging what would be dense vs light is pretty difficult to do for me.

I’ll give you an example. Sanguine. I would say this seems “light” on the surface. Relaxation, calm, stability. However when I ran it that stillness or calm or safety triggered anxiety. It seems counterintuitive that a sub designed to promote stability and calm would do that, but I also happen to know that’s been a lifelong thing I’ve struggled with.

Contrast that to when I ran Phoenix, I don’t think anyone would argue that’s a light title. However I can say Phoenix was actually an easier run at some points vs sanguine. I suspect since there was a lot of movement in Phoenix, change, and at times chaos that’s what my mind is most comfortable with. There was a busy nature to it and while difficult, it didn’t give me that opportunity to fall back within myself and get tied up in what was being brought up and re-injure myself.

It’s really interesting how with some of these subs, even with the objectives I can’t predict how I’ll react.

[TheGreenMan]

Absolutely agree. It’s not really possible to look at these aspects separately. Defining density is difficult. IIRC looking solely at script length the NSE cores would be “normal core heavy” but they are much lighter in praxis.

With personal measurement (including individual difficulty of certain fields) the initial proposition makes most sense.

There are probably a lot more aspects having an impact:

First or long time use. The interaction between the subconscious and the conscious mind is trained with every listen and every action taken and gets easier over time.

What kind of action needs to be taken? Weapon X subs need direct conscious action, while the unfolding titles or e. g. Limitless (as we are thinking all the time) need not much conscious action. No idea how to place e. g. Quantum Limitless there.

[Malkuth]

@Fractal_Explorer

I’ll give you an example. Sanguine. I would say this seems “light” on the surface. Relaxation, calm, stability. However when I ran it that stillness or calm or safety triggered anxiety. It seems counterintuitive that a sub designed to promote stability and calm would do that, but I also happen to know that’s been a lifelong thing I’ve struggled with.

For the purposes of this topic, I am focusing specifically on Density. I think that what you’re raising here may be better described as Difficulty, or Challenge.

Difficulty of running a particular subliminal is a more complex variable. It is influenced by a number of factors, and cannot be reduced to just Density.

In the example that you offered, one key factor seemed to be the discrepancy (or disparity) between the subliminal’s suggestions and your already established habits and patterns of processing and responding in the world at that time.

‘Walk 3 miles to the north’ is a simple, ‘non-dense’ instruction.

If, however, my current starting point is the southern edge of a mountain, then carrying out that simple instruction will require more effort than if I’m starting in the middle of a flat plain.

But, to return to the original point, no matter how challenging that 3-mile northern mountain walk, it will, nevertheless, probably require less focus than another set of instructions that has 29 additional (and equally challenging) steps after ‘walk 3 miles to the north’.

And as difficult as the mountain walk may be, that difficulty will probably not come from being overwhelmed by too many instructions. I can keep repeating ‘North’ and taking one more step and I’ll know I’m moving the right way.

There are definitely exceptions here. There always are. I’m just speaking in general terms to facilitate conversation.

[Jouissance]

I’ve always referred to Momentum in dealing with subliminals indirectly but I’m so glad you’re putting clear language around this.

The sub can certainly get you results … but your own results can ALSO get you results.

If you’re running wanted black, you’ll start being more attractive, which will get you a girlfriend, which will make you even MORE attractive, which will get you even more fpgirlfriends, which will make you EVEN MORE attractive… it’s an upward spiral

[Simon]

@Malkuth @Fractal_Explorer

Remember:

1. When the subs upgraded from Q/Ultima to ZP, everything was now to be considered Archetypal, and not a Booster.
   Recon from titles like Sanguine or LBFH is typically found when we’re trying to use them as Mood Enhancers, and not as our long term Intentional Beingness.

2. With the NSE upgrade, Transformation is mostly fueled by Results of Action, meaning Belief is built by our personal Success, and not by Repetition and Reconciliation.

So, any sub one plays, he/she is committing to become a living embodiment of the sub’s description, from whatever their current starting point is.

Dense titles support longer range goals, and have many avenues for possible Actions.
If we pay attention, we’ll notice that we have started taking tiny actions, started capitalising on tiny manifestations, all of which, as they build into results, will domino into the sub’s massive goals.

Lighter titles support shorter range goals, and have a smaller set of possible options for Action. If we’re choosing a sub primarily for working on quick action, short term results, these are a better choice.

[Fractal_Explorer]

Gotcha. How would you go about separating density though? It all seems very intertwined.

@Malkuth

But, to return to the original point, no matter how challenging that 3-mile northern mountain walk, it will, nevertheless, probably require less focus than another set of instructions that has 29 additional (and equally challenging) steps after ‘walk 3 miles to the north’.

In this scenario what if those 29 additional steps were easier? Would that still fall under the category of a denser subliminal to you?

There’s also the consideration of what if these steps aren’t necessarily linear? And more density can lead to greater flexibility and action vs a single focused point. Kind of like a round robin approach to growth.

I don’t mean to split hairs lol. Just in my head I find it very hard to categorize density and lightness. Theoretically I understand what you mean, practically I find it a little more messy since there’s so much to take into consideration.

That being said nobody but ourselves can understand how we process these subs, so it might be a world of difference for you and what you experience. That’s why I’m interested in hearing more of how you personally quantify dense vs light given all the factors.

[Fractal_Explorer]

@Simon

Remember:

1. When the subs upgraded from Q/Ultima to ZP, everything was now to be considered Archetypal, and not a Booster.
   Recon from titles like Sanguine or LBFH is typically found when we’re trying to use them as Mood Enhancers, and not as our long term Intentional Beingness.

Not to doubt you Simon but I would like clarification on this one. If that’s the case that really changes things for me.

@AnswerGroup Is the archetype thing relevant in ZP? Or is that more of a way to conceptualize the subs unfolding that started being talked about in the forum?

[Malkuth]

I’m not thinking of it in such a complicated way.

We have the Q-Store where we can build customs by combining modules.

Heartsong and Genesis are two programs.

If you build a custom that contains the cores of Heartsong and Genesis, that custom will be denser than either program alone.

If you add a third program core, your custom will be even denser.

Not necessarily more difficult. Denser.

Whether it’s more difficult for you to process or not depends on additional factors.

Subliminals are ideas, suggestions, and instructions.

One instruction is less dense than ten instructions.

But those instructions may be easier or more difficult for you depending on who you are.

Independent of difficulty, Density seems important to me because it seems to correspond to how much capacity (space) and energy will be required to process and digest all of those ideas—whether difficult or easy ideas.

A simple way of expressing it: the more smoothly we are able to act on the ideas and inspirations in a program; is the more harmoniously and smoothly that program will be integrated into our identity.

When there’s a new dance, some people will pick it up quickly and others may need a lot more time to pick it up.

People who dance more often in general will probably pick up a new dance more quickly than those who do not.

People who dance quite often and in the same general style as the new dance will probably pick it up even faster.

If the dance has 40 different elements and steps to it, then its pattern is denser, and even if those 40 elements are relatively simple, remembering and coordinating them all will probably take a little bit more time.

If you remove 39 of those steps and just leave 1, then yes, its pattern is less ‘dense’ and learning it will be faster.

But if the dance has just two steps, but one of them is ‘difficult’; for example, you have to do it all while standing on your hands, then that simple 2-move dance may take you much longer to master, than the much ‘denser’ 40-step dance. You’ll memorize the pattern of the 2-step dance more quickly; but you won’t be able to actually do the dance until you develop enough upside-down balance.

Density vs. Difficulty

My example above in the opening post is talking about 40-step dances or 120-step dances. (Dense)

Yours is more talking about upside-down dances. (Difficult)

Of course, a given program can be either, both, or neither; but I’m thinking of those situations in which Density is a primary factor.

When there’s a lot more to remember or to act on, I think that willpower and intention may end up being a more significant element in executing the whole thing.

[Fractal_Explorer]

Ah ok. I see. This is like higher level birds eye view before getting into the details.